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tichure
6:54 PM
103



chelsealeigh103
6:55 PM
I tried joining last week and apparently my computer needed new updates and a new video drive! It took almost three days to download everything!



tichure
6:56 PM
wow
well, you made it
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chelsealeigh103
6:59 PM
That I did!



tichure
7:00 PM
What can I help you with
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Lander
7:01 PM
Hello all



chelsealeigh103
7:02 PM
Well Professor, I am still trying to sift through all the videos and information that you have on your website! IT's alot and I don't really want to pick a work to write a term paper on until I am thoroughly educated on what the paper requires.



Lander
7:04 PM
Hi Chelsea, do you have any prior knowledge of the topics
I did'nt to be honest
7:05 PM



tichure
7:05 PM
Hey there Lander. Hows your paper coming along
ahhh
7:05 PM



Lander
7:05 PM
well Tupac



tichure
7:05 PM
and how's the research coming along
the paper is going to be two critical perspectives for the first installment Chelsea
7:05 PM
and which critical perspectives is really determined by the piece you choose
7:05 PM
are you familiar with any of the works that are optional for this paper
7:06 PM



Lander
7:06 PM
Tichure, I have a some sources I need to review, our las chat was very helpfull.



chelsealeigh103
7:06 PM
I have read many poems and short stories in ENG103 and am an avid hiphop Fan, but perspectives and modes are all new to me Landeer!



Lander
7:06 PM
I was heading in the wrong direction



tichure
7:07 PM
lander, which critical perspectives are you thinking of applying to the poem?
And what are you finding for resources
7:07 PM



Lander
7:07 PM
Marxist and Cultural



tichure
7:07 PM
which culture



chelsealeigh103
7:07 PM
For the first response paper professor, i know that we have Thomas, Brooks, Dirge, Howe and Springsteen



tichure
7:07 PM
Chelsea, let's clarify something.



chelsealeigh103
7:08 PM
okay



tichure
7:08 PM
lander and I are talking about the PAPER which is a four paragraph, two critical perspective analysis that's Going to run you about 4 to 6 pages.
what you're referring to are RESPONSES, which are three paragraph, single critical perspective analyses of a single work.


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tichure
7:09 PM
The responses are more like practice while the paper has a bigger impact on your overall grade.
Which do you want to discuss.
7:09 PM
The paper or the responses?
7:09 PM
Hey Gianna. Have you chosen something for the first paper? If so, how's it coming along
7:09 PM
by the way folks, I am going to grading the first responses this weekend
7:09 PM
if not sooner
7:10 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:10 PM
okay, I was wanting to talk about the responses first, and then the Paper.
sorry for the confusion!
7:10 PM



Lander
7:10 PM
lets start with response if everyone agrees?



EmandaGianna
7:10 PM
Pretty good I have been researching for my first response so I am on board with Chelsea
Agreed
7:11 PM



tichure
7:11 PM
Chelsea, it is pretty straightforward. you pick one of those well-known and fairly classic poems (with the exception Springsteen perhaps) and you choose a critical perspective that is appropriate. You always check the biography to see if the work is autobiographical, but that is actually rare. Mostly you're applying historical or some kind of cultural or Marxist response which is always applicable.
Because something by Dylan Thomas or another author like that is going to be fairly commonly analyzed in literature circles, your resources will be primarily Gale
7:11 PM
also, biographical information on those authors will also be in Gale
7:12 PM
Which one of the ones that you listed are you thinking of analyzing? And that applies to anybody
7:12 PM
here
7:12 PM



EmandaGianna
7:12 PM
so only chose one critical perspective for the body paragraph correct?



tichure
7:12 PM
yes
you must use primary text, quotation from the work itself, as well as secondary text, your research, directly quoted. Do not cite paraphrase. Simply cite quotation. Use quotation as evidence.



EmandaGianna
7:13 PM
and what is it that you would like us to touch on in the intro? the biographical backround?
That is where I'm stuck right now
7:13 PM



tichure
7:13 PM
no actually, it all depends on what your point is. You would not give me biographical background in the introduction if you're going to do a biographical based critical perspective, such as Marxist or biographical, because that is actually the point of the paper and I expect that development in the body paragraph.
Biographical information is relevant in an Introduction if essentially your essay has little to do with who the author is. in any case, the background information should be no more than one or two sentences. The introduction and conclusion, of which there are examples on my website on the "paper format and test instruction page" under the "organization it outlines" link, are very short. I need the author, the title, the critical perspective and a theme developed from it.
7:14 PM
But no detail no examples
7:14 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:14 PM
For anyone strugggling with format of the paper, under he paper format and test instruction on englit.org it has a subject on that



tichure
7:15 PM
no quotation
indeed there is jealousy.
7:15 PM
Indeed there is Chelsea
7:15 PM
Hahaha
7:15 PM
bad Dragon
7:15 PM



Lander
7:15 PM
what would be the proper way to site the poem or play, from Canvas or the source we get it from?



tichure
7:15 PM
if the work is historical, you can make a general point about the historical context.
Lander, the standard MLA formatting is that you show me where you got it. For the most case, what I'm looking for is publication information that includes the author's name, the title of the work, the title of the publication/website, and if it's a website, the URL.
7:16 PM
Obviously the citation is going be cited in text with author's last name and line number for poetry
7:16 PM
for single act plays, it's the page number there is one. For multi-act plays, it's act and scene number
7:16 PM
I don't think there are multi-act plays in this with the possible exception of death of a salesman
7:17 PM
it's not like it's Shakespeare or anything that has many acts
7:17 PM
so, more to the point, what work are you thinking of doing for the first response?
7:17 PM
Because frankly until you give me some specific context, I don't know how to otherwise direct you.
7:17 PM
I'm pretty much just simply telling you what is already on the website.
7:17 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:18 PM
I was thinking of doing "we real cool"



tichure
7:18 PM
You could simply just choose one of the poems and then I would show you how you would go about analyzing it.



chelsealeigh103
7:18 PM
and writing about



tichure
7:18 PM
Good choice Chelsea.



chelsealeigh103
7:18 PM
the marxist perspective (sp?)
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tichure
7:18 PM
Your process should be as follows
you spelled it correctly
7:18 PM
did you find anything about the author?
7:18 PM
Gianna, are you familiar with this poem?
7:19 PM



EmandaGianna
7:19 PM
Yes I was going to do that poem or the Springstein song



tichure
7:20 PM
Well since you're both familiar with it let's use this as the example
for both of you, have either of you read a biography of this author
7:20 PM
yes or no
7:20 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:20 PM
i do know a bit about Brooks from ENG103, She was from Kansas, died in south side,Chicago and wrote alot aboutordinary people in her community
a very short one
7:20 PM
maybe a few paragraphs, nothing major
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yet
7:20 PM



tichure
7:20 PM
Is the poem about her life?
Chelsea, let me clarify something with you. Have you taken this class before or do you think you're not in English 103?
7:21 PM
Because this is English 103
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tichure
7:22 PM
hey there Lander



chelsealeigh103
7:22 PM
yes I am in ENG103, I meant to say 101. sorry



tichure
7:22 PM
were looking at we real cool
okay
7:22 PM
it's okay
7:22 PM
you had me scared Chelsea. I thought I was in the wrong class
7:22 PM
I'm always going to the wrong room
7:22 PM
okay
7:22 PM
so back to my question
7:22 PM



Lander #2
7:22 PM
Sorry, bad wifi at hotel



tichure
7:22 PM
because it's always the first question here and ask yourself on every
single work
7:22 PM
is we will cool autobiographical?
7:22 PM
Yes or no
7:22 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:22 PM
lol no, i have long nails!



tichure
7:22 PM
hhahaha



chelsealeigh103
7:22 PM
i dont believe so



tichure
7:23 PM
did she drop out of school?
Did she hang out at a pool hall?
7:23 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:23 PM
I believe she actually saw a bunch of guys and decided to write a poem about them



tichure
7:23 PM
Did she make money being a pool hustler
exactly
7:23 PM
so biographical is out for biographical criticism
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but
7:23 PM
you already know why she wrote the poem
7:23 PM
so yes, Marxist criticism is appropriate
7:23 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:23 PM
no she was a pulitzer prize winner. lol



tichure
7:23 PM
why does she care about this population
who is
7:23 PM
exactly
7:23 PM
who is the group demographically in the poem?
7:24 PM
Gender
7:24 PM
age
7:24 PM
race
7:24 PM
era
7:24 PM
location
7:24 PM
occupation
7:24 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:24 PM
this is her community, these are her people as in the same race as herr



tichure
7:24 PM
by the way, anybody can jump in.
Which is what Chelsea
7:24 PM
be specific because it's important
7:24 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:24 PM
african american



tichure
7:24 PM
yes
how do you know that
7:24 PM



EmandaGianna
7:24 PM
young men in the 50s black males, sorry my computer was not letting me type



tichure
7:24 PM
not how do you know that Gwendolyn Brooks is black, but how do you know that the speakers in the poem are also African-American?
How do you know that Gianna
7:25 PM
this is part of methodology
7:25 PM
this is the part where you explain what the author is doing to make sure that we understand who the characters are
7:25 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:25 PM
well from the context of the poem and also her bography



EmandaGianna
7:25 PM
I don't know for sure but she says "WE"



tichure
7:25 PM
Gianna, she's not a black man
she's not a dropout
7:25 PM
so we doesn't tell us anything about them
7:25 PM
She obviously has created characters
7:25 PM
that doesn't help us either Chelsea because again, we need to know how she is reaching out and to whom she's reaching out.
7:26 PM
read the first line of the poem and tell me who is speaking and how do you know
7:26 PM
and yes it's that thing
7:26 PM
that is so obvious that it's hitting you over the head
7:26 PM
what is the first line
7:26 PM
(eye)(eye)
7:27 PM



EmandaGianna
7:27 PM
the pool players



tichure
7:27 PM
No



chelsealeigh103
7:27 PM
okay one second let me pull it back up
sorry
7:27 PM



tichure
7:27 PM
that is the preamble. Was the first one of the poem
what is the first line of the poem
7:27 PM
and you all know it
7:27 PM
for a very simple reason
7:27 PM
hahaha
7:27 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:27 PM
we real cool!!



tichure
7:27 PM
indeed
who speaks that way
7:27 PM
translate this to standard English
7:27 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:28 PM
typically african americans in the city



tichure
7:28 PM
what is the speech pattern that you identify
how is it not standard English
7:28 PM
how is it different from standard English
7:28 PM
what is missing from the sentence
7:28 PM



EmandaGianna
7:28 PM
shortening of words
slang
7:28 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:28 PM
its on the tip of my tongue!



tichure
7:29 PM
you can't make those words any shorter and you can't really make them any longer.
It's missing a word
7:29 PM



EmandaGianna
7:29 PM
are



tichure
7:29 PM
it's not the fact that they used specific words other than the word cool
yes Gianna
7:29 PM
it's missing the verb
7:29 PM



EmandaGianna
7:29 PM
so that shows lack of education? showing they are dropouts?



tichure
7:29 PM
back in the 90s they actually started calling this a particular language instead of a dialect or nonstandard English
actually Gianna it's more, especially from people within the community, even educated people within the committee, a choice rather than lack of education
7:29 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:30 PM
i'm lost for words, I know this word and i can't think of it



tichure
7:30 PM
so they decided at one point call it something as if it were its own language
Ebonics
7:30 PM



EmandaGianna
7:30 PM
ebonics?



chelsealeigh103
7:30 PM
WBONICS!



EmandaGianna
7:30 PM
sorry



chelsealeigh103
7:30 PM
Eboncs*



tichure
7:30 PM
now understand that not just African-Americans would use this style of language
exactly
7:30 PM
but
7:30 PM
in the 1950s
7:30 PM
this would be associated with that culture and with specific people within the broader culture
7:30 PM
and yes it might be associated with lack of education or a desire to use slang instead of standard English
7:31 PM
understand that slang does not necessarily indicate lack of education. In fact, some recent studies have shown that the higher educated person is the more likely they are to use a very very colorful vocabulary of profanity
7:31 PM
because they understand a great number of different words for the same thing
7:31 PM
but moreover, people use slang in order to identify themselves as unique and separate from the standard community
7:31 PM
and every culture has slang and every subset within the culture has a slang is different from the main culture
7:31 PM
which brings us back to this work
7:31 PM
if this author is using these words
7:31 PM
in this style
7:31 PM
who is this poem directed toward?
7:32 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:32 PM
Sh's directing the poem towards Arican Americans?



EmandaGianna
7:32 PM
the white man at the time? to show how much "cooler" or manlier they are than them



tichure
7:33 PM
) Understand this and recognize it and find affinity with it
Gianna, which you think is a better answer considering who the author is
7:33 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:33 PM
Well I think the poem was really written to show irony about how its actually "not cool" to drop out of school, hAVE SEX, DRINK ETC. rIGHT?



tichure
7:33 PM
you think the author is trying to show white people that black people are cool?



EmandaGianna
7:33 PM
What chelsea said sounds better



tichure
7:33 PM
Or is she trying to, as Chelsea surmises show the guys who live this style that ultimately it's not necessarily a good thing
was the last line
7:33 PM
what is the last line
7:34 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:34 PM
Ew sorry for the caps, im not yelling



EmandaGianna
7:34 PM
Die soon



tichure
7:34 PM
yeah Chelsea, keep it down. It's a small room
hahahaha
7:34 PM
good thing or bad thing
7:34 PM



EmandaGianna
7:34 PM
so I see the point she is making, and bad thing



chelsealeigh103
7:34 PM
haha im just jealous



tichure
7:34 PM
this ultimate result
according to a Dragon, that's true Chelsea
7:34 PM
so
7:34 PM
when we find out that Gwendolyn Brooks is an African-American writer
7:34 PM
who lives in a major city that has a large African-American population
7:35 PM
and that she herself, highly educated
7:35 PM
is concerned about the plight of the segment of her population and infected Chicago's population which is suffering disproportionately
7:35 PM
it makes a lot of sense to say that she might try to reach out to them to talk to them about their life choices
7:35 PM
let's do a little research
7:35 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:35 PM
absolutley



tichure
7:35 PM
from a historical perspective
is this poem accurate
7:35 PM
statistically
7:35 PM
in 1950s
7:35 PM
what was the reason for finishing high school for any individual in the United States
7:36 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:36 PM
I think so, to get a jo
job*
7:36 PM



tichure
7:36 PM
yes
and what kind of jobs are being offered to African-American MEN
7:36 PM
there's another reason Chelsea
7:37 PM
besides getting a job
7:37 PM
something that you three might have an inkling about
7:37 PM
what is the other reason for getting a high school diploma
7:37 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:37 PM
to learn and get a higher education. to go to college



tichure
7:37 PM
so
what college opportunities are being offered to African-American men
7:37 PM
in the 1950s
7:37 PM
and prior
7:37 PM
and then finally
7:38 PM



EmandaGianna
7:38 PM
african americans went to poor schools and in a racist time, even if they finised highchool they wouldnt necessarily find a job they get stuck working low positiions



tichure
7:38 PM
who are they battling for jobs Gianna?



EmandaGianna
7:38 PM
regardlless



chelsealeigh103
7:38 PM
i didn't realize they were offered any opportunities at tjat time,



tichure
7:38 PM
Who is in the job pool besides them?



EmandaGianna
7:38 PM
immigrants



chelsealeigh103
7:38 PM
whites



tichure
7:39 PM
is there a difference?
Where are the immigrants coming from
7:39 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:39 PM
europe



tichure
7:39 PM
so race?



EmandaGianna
7:39 PM
since they are white



tichure
7:39 PM
Yes
looks like the same answer
7:39 PM
hahaha
7:39 PM



EmandaGianna
7:39 PM
they would get the job before a black person



tichure
7:39 PM
although we are suspicious of those Italians
yes
7:39 PM
and as you mentioned, are white schools and black schools evenly subsidized
7:39 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:40 PM
hey now, I make a mean lasagna lol
no they arent
7:40 PM



tichure
7:40 PM
i make a better Bolognese but that's not the point
hahaha\
7:40 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:40 PM
The black men needed to work harder to compete with the other races



tichure
7:40 PM
what's the likelihood an African American man is gonna get accepted to college?



EmandaGianna
7:41 PM
very slim chance that he will even get accepted



tichure
7:41 PM
that is correct



chelsealeigh103
7:41 PM
unlikley back then



tichure
7:41 PM
historical criticism
helps us to set the backdrop
7:41 PM



EmandaGianna
7:41 PM
Racism at the time was very bad



tichure
7:41 PM
of the particular culture. Notice that were discussing the culture. This is not a cultural response. This is historical because you're explaining the culture at the time which is historical context and ahistorical criticism.
Indeed
7:41 PM
what types of activities are often left to people who are unemployable?
7:41 PM
And what types of activities are left to people who are unemployable but still find that they need to support a family or even just themselves?
7:42 PM



EmandaGianna
7:42 PM
drug dealing



chelsealeigh103
7:42 PM
the ones that got me in a lot of trouble haha



tichure
7:42 PM
I'm looking for a general category



chelsealeigh103
7:42 PM
drug dealing



tichure
7:42 PM
exactly keep going
look at your poem

EmandaGianna
7:42 PM
stealing
robbing
7:42 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:42 PM
pool sharks,
gambling
7:42 PM



tichure
7:43 PM
remember the historical criticism needs to be within the context of the work itself. If you find dealing in this particular poem, then it's relevant. And by the way, there is a certain kind of drug dealing only to hear but it's not standard street drugs.



chelsealeigh103
7:43 PM
bookers? (?)



tichure
7:43 PM
Exactly



EmandaGianna
7:43 PM
then alcohol to make them feel better about it all



tichure
7:43 PM
where is the pool shark, where is the stealing and robbing, where is the gambling,
well Chelsea, I'm looking for the lines in the poem that support the claims
7:43 PM
is bookmaking referenced in this poem?
7:43 PM
if it is not, then you don't bring it up
7:43 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:43 PM
oh okay



EmandaGianna
7:43 PM
lurk late to me seemed like stealing maybe in the night



chelsealeigh103
7:43 PM
no its not



tichure
7:43 PM
heroin is pretty prevalent in the inner cities in all major cities by the 1950s, but it's not referenced in the poem, don't bring it up
very good Gianna
7:43 PM



Lander #2
7:44 PM
Music



tichure
7:44 PM
historical criticism is limited by what the word brings up but you certainly can explain the culture being depicted in order to explain the attitude in the context



chelsealeigh103
7:44 PM
strike straight? can someone provide an explannation of that one?



tichure
7:44 PM
which music Lander
Chelsea, where are they
7:44 PM



EmandaGianna
7:44 PM
and strike straight? maybe killing off to steal as well



Lander #2
7:44 PM
Jazz



tichure
7:44 PM
possibly Gianna



chelsealeigh103
7:44 PM
moonshining? (thining gin?)



tichure
7:44 PM
what kind of music is Jazz Lander? What is the origin?
On the right track Chelsea,
7:44 PM
or even buying it or procuring it and reselling it to a population who cannot legally buy it
7:44 PM
how old are these guys
7:44 PM
in the poem
7:45 PM
what else is strike? Where are they?
7:45 PM



EmandaGianna
7:45 PM
young men so maybe 18 or so



chelsealeigh103
7:45 PM
in a pool hall, early 's



tichure
7:45 PM
Can buy alcohol legally
?
7:45 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:45 PM
20's



tichure
7:45 PM
by the way, these are high school dropouts
these are high school dropouts
7:45 PM



EmandaGianna
7:45 PM
no cannot legally buy alchohol



chelsealeigh103
7:45 PM
16-18



tichure
7:45 PM
alcohol is illegal to them so it becomes a commodity
as well as to others from which they can make money
7:45 PM
Chelsea
7:45 PM
pool hall
7:46 PM
strikes straight
7:46 PM
reference?
7:46 PM



EmandaGianna
7:46 PM
strike straight? still trying to figure it out



tichure
7:46 PM
Have you ever played pool



chelsealeigh103
7:46 PM
playing pool right?



tichure
7:46 PM
yes
it's hitting the ball accurately
7:46 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:46 PM
eight ball in the hole?



tichure
7:46 PM
especially if you're going to be doing what
corner pocket Chelsea
7:46 PM
not in the whole
7:46 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:46 PM
duh...



tichure
7:46 PM
hhhagha
it's important to strike straight especially if you're going to what
7:46 PM
while playing pool
7:46 PM



EmandaGianna
7:46 PM
hustle someone?



tichure
7:47 PM
are these people playing pool for leisure?



chelsealeigh103
7:47 PM
win



tichure
7:47 PM
Is playing pool free?
Very good both of you
7:47 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:47 PM
winning money



tichure
7:47 PM
yes
you also have to be good enough to play badly convincingly
7:47 PM
in order to hustle somebody
7:47 PM
double or nothing
7:47 PM
double or nothing
7:47 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:47 PM
i would have NEVER gotten all off this off these few lines!



tichure
7:47 PM
double or nothing
eight lines
7:47 PM



EmandaGianna
7:47 PM
same



tichure
7:47 PM
3 words each
that's why it's in the list
7:47 PM
hahahaha
7:47 PM
context is everything
7:48 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:48 PM
there is SO MUCH going on



tichure
7:48 PM
and understand that the authors opinion about their lifestyle is supported with an understanding of knowledge the cultural reality but also the authors own experience and beliefs



EmandaGianna
7:48 PM
what about sing sin because now im just curious



tichure
7:48 PM
you would use the biography or analysis of her work or interviews or all three
as Marxist criticism
7:48 PM
how do people who live the street life
7:48 PM
the thug life
7:48 PM
view themselves and their lifestyle




Lander #2
7:49 PM
for gin/



EmandaGianna
7:49 PM
like blues singing about sad things going on?



tichure
7:49 PM
may need to reload
give me a corollary to somebody who lives this life today
7:49 PM
who lives this life today
7:49 PM
how would you identify them
7:49 PM
what would be their normal Association in your perspective
7:49 PM
a life of crime
7:49 PM
hustling
7:49 PM
potential violence
7:49 PM
dealing of illicit drugs
7:49 PM
school dropout
7:49 PM
hanging in a group
7:49 PM
of group
7:49 PM



EmandaGianna
7:49 PM
a gangster pretty much



tichure
7:49 PM
a group
yes
7:50 PM
are gangsters proud of their sins
7:50 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:50 PM
yes



tichure
7:50 PM
do they brag about their exploits



EmandaGianna
7:50 PM
i dont believe so
but they do
7:50 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:50 PM
thats basically the lyrics in most rap songs



tichure
7:50 PM
were not concerned with your opinion
were concerned with their opinion
7:50 PM
we are concerned with establishing the voice in the work
7:50 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:50 PM
drugs, sex, money, guns



tichure
7:50 PM
yes
sometimes people brag more than they actually do
7:51 PM



EmandaGianna
7:51 PM
so then they do brag



tichure
7:51 PM
because in some cultures
it's important to look like a bad ass
7:51 PM
even if you're only a half ass
7:51 PM



EmandaGianna
7:51 PM
regardless if thyey actualy feel bad or not



tichure
7:51 PM
yes
They don't feel bad Gianna.
7:51 PM
this is a world in which they feel the larger society has left them little opportunity for anything else
7:51 PM
they justify not only their existence but also their predatory nature on others as a "us or them" attitude because that is the life that they've led and the life that others around them have led
7:51 PM
if you add elements of racism and sexism
7:52 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:52 PM
thats why the rap battles ensue, who's badder, who's bigger



tichure
7:52 PM
and lack of opportunity, you can grow up a very angry and resentful person
who has very little empathy for other people
7:52 PM
because either you make someone a victim
7:52 PM
or you become a victim yourself
7:52 PM
and in their world
7:52 PM
those are the only choices
7:52 PM
because it is another aspect to this
7:52 PM
that the author has laid in here that we've Artie talked about
7:52 PM
but it definitely affects attitude
7:52 PM
how mature are these guys
7:52 PM
how worldly are these guys
7:52 PM
how empathetic are these guys
7:53 PM
how old are these guys
7:53 PM
the author is talking about a group of immature people who are going to enjoy as much as possible around her immediate life
7:53 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:53 PM
they're young, they really know nothing yet



tichure
7:53 PM
but as part of that, are they really thinking about long-term consequences?
Exactly
7:53 PM
all of this is in this poem
7:53 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:53 PM
no not at all.



tichure
7:53 PM
she is talking to them
in their language
7:53 PM
saying things to them
7:53 PM
to affect them
7:53 PM
how many of the eight lines would this particular group AGREE with?
7:54 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:54 PM
to see wherre this lifestyle will take them?
7
7:54 PM



EmandaGianna
7:54 PM
Sorry to go a bit off topic but the response, say for this poem would need the actual primary source, biography of author, and secondary source for ciritical perspective since that's what we pretty much looked at to come to these conclsuions that we are discussing right now. Correct?



tichure
7:54 PM
The primary source is going to work itself



EmandaGianna
7:54 PM
because dying is too far to think about for them



tichure
7:54 PM
a biography is only relevant if you're doing biographical or Marxist criticism.
Exactly Chelsea
7:54 PM
the author strings them along to keep them involved in the conversation
7:55 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:55 PM
and they dont think it could ever happen to them, or frankly don't car



tichure
7:55 PM
and then hits them at the end with that last bit which, by the way, they may very well agree with



chelsealeigh103
7:55 PM
care*



tichure
7:55 PM
well they actually do agree with that. If you talk to gang members, one of the reasons that they live such an extreme life is that they do fill their days are numbered
that they live a high-risk existence
7:55 PM



EmandaGianna
7:55 PM
pandering



chelsealeigh103
7:55 PM
depending on how much they've seen possibly Professor



tichure
7:55 PM
and certainly statistically
historically
7:55 PM



EmandaGianna
7:55 PM
to grab attention



tichure
7:56 PM
if you are looking this from historical critical perspective one of the elements you include is actual statistical information
te.
7:56 PM
What subgroup in America has the highest dropout rate from high school?
7:56 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:56 PM
ariican americans
African Americans?
7:56 PM



tichure
7:57 PM
whichgroup in America has the lowest admissions to college?
too broad Chelsea
7:57 PM
more narrow than that
7:57 PM
where do they live
7:57 PM
and whether demographic must be added to that description
7:57 PM
what other demographic
7:57 PM
or demographics
7:57 PM



EmandaGianna
7:57 PM
ghettos



tichure
7:57 PM
age
economic condition
7:57 PM
race
7:57 PM
gender
7:57 PM



EmandaGianna
7:57 PM
low income eighborhoods



tichure
7:57 PM
yes



chelsealeigh103
7:57 PM
inner city young african american males



tichure
7:57 PM
I got that part yes
yes
7:57 PM
which demographic has the lowest admission to college
7:58 PM
which demographic has the lowest graduation rate from college
7:58 PM
which demographic has the highest casualty rate in terms of violent death, including homicide
7:58 PM
wish demographic has the highest rate of incarceration
7:58 PM
which demographic has the highest casualty rate of health related diseases such as high blood pressure, hypertension, stroke, cancer and heart attack
7:58 PM



chelsealeigh103
7:59 PM
Are they unfortunatle all te same answer?
the
7:59 PM



tichure
7:59 PM
statistically you would support what is in this by explaining that she is accurately depicting was going on at the time
that is correct Chelsea
7:59 PM
in a large historical not only explains the culture. It also explains what aspects of the poem are true. It does not discuss the author's opinion
7:59 PM
it simply looks at the work and either substantiates it or refutes it
7:59 PM
is it easier for an African-American male or African-American female to get a job in the 1950s?
7:59 PM
explain your answer
8:00 PM
we know why it's hard for African-American males to get a job
8:00 PM
at that time
8:00 PM
is it the same issue for women
8:00 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:01 PM
Welll I dont have any statistics or proof, but I feel it would be easier for a woman, as they aren't as intimidating



tichure
8:01 PM
and by the way, statistically, which segment of the population has a higher employment rate… African-American women or African-American men?
Right answer but wrong reason Chelsea
8:01 PM
who is the African-American man up against in terms of getting a job in the 1950s?
8:01 PM
I know you answered this before but I want you to answer it again
8:01 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:02 PM
white men



tichure
8:02 PM
what kinds of jobs are African-American women going for?



Lander #2
8:02 PM
Whit women did not work if I'm not mistaken



tichure
8:02 PM
And are these the jobs that white women, if they get a job at all, or going for?
That is generally true lander especially if they're married
8:02 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:02 PM
nurses, maybe housekeeping
watching kids
8:02 PM



tichure
8:02 PM
Chelsea,
nursing requires a degree
8:02 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:02 PM
right
basically house work
8:02 PM



tichure
8:03 PM
housekeeping and other maid service
exactly
8:03 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:03 PM
jobs that white women wouldn't necessarily need to go for



tichure
8:03 PM
if you translate this to modern era, we have other subsets of the population that dominate certain job descriptions.



chelsealeigh103
8:03 PM
if their white husbands already have a job



tichure
8:03 PM
Or they wouldn't simply do Chelsea
because the job might be good enough that he has that she does not have to work
8:03 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:03 PM
exactly, it was easier o live off one income



tichure
8:03 PM
and when you find out that at the time, and even into recent history, that the average American household is largely financed, at the lower levels the lower socioeconomic levels, by women rather than men for various reasons, your statistics actually will support this work even more
that's why these guys are men not women
8:04 PM
that's what the poem is about men not women
8:04 PM
historical criticism establishes and explains the culture being depicted as well is establishing the facts being portrayed in the work
8:04 PM
Marxist criticism explains the authors point and why the author believes that, including RELEVANT background information on the author that leads to this worldview Marxist criticism also identifies the message and the intended audience as well is the method by which to appeal to them
8:04 PM
which brings me to something that was referred to before
8:04 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:05 PM
This is mindblowinf



tichure
8:05 PM
what aspects of this poem are PANDERING to that young male African-American audience
and what aspects of this poem or PROPAGANDIZING to this young African-American male audience
8:05 PM



Lander #2
8:05 PM
we real cool



tichure
8:06 PM
when you're discussing Marxist criticism, pandering refers to giving the audience what they want and reflecting the viewpoints that they have. That hiphop song that has naked women and images of violence and power led by a strong male lead is pandering to a core audience of young urban and suburban males of all races who want to have that kind of power
Lander, just that line?





Lander #2
8:06 PM
all but die soon



chelsealeigh103
8:06 PM
Pandering- singing sin, jazzing june, lurking late, striking straight, thinning gin



tichure
8:06 PM
That country-western song is full of patriotic images and pastoral scenes of cattle and horses and well fed girls dressed in cowboy boots is pandering to their core audience
exactly
8:06 PM
exactly
8:06 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:07 PM
its something theuy understand and endulge in



tichure
8:07 PM
now really get to some more subtlety
yes
8:07 PM
exactly
8:07 PM
so now we get to some subtlety
8:07 PM
does Gwendolyn Brooks care about this culture
8:07 PM
does she care about these men?
8:07 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:07 PM
yes, I think so..



Lander #2
8:07 PM
yes



tichure
8:08 PM
How is the possibly hostile or ignorant audience supposed to feel about these men? How would middle class or upper class white culture be directed by the author to feel about these men
how would conservative culture black or white be directed by the author to feel about these men?
8:08 PM
Are we supposed to be afraid of them? Are we supposed to hate them? Are we supposed to laugh at their demise?
8:08 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:08 PM
that theyr'e no good pool hustling dropouts



tichure
8:08 PM
Or are we supposed to feel empathy
are you sure Chelsea
8:08 PM
are you sure that that is how Gwendolyn Brooks wants the vast majority of the American population to feel? That black men are unsalable
8:09 PM
unsavory
8:09 PM
dangerous
8:09 PM
lost
8:09 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:09 PM
people without empathy i feel would think that. maybe others would feel that ths is a sad lifestyle that ultimately leads
to htheir demise
8:09 PM
their*
8:09 PM



tichure
8:09 PM
exactly



Lander #2
8:09 PM
she wants to raise the issue



tichure
8:09 PM
yes
exactly
8:09 PM
now who was she propagandizing
8:09 PM
and what is the message
8:09 PM



Lander #2
8:10 PM
that is is not cool



tichure
8:10 PM
a work can have more than one message
more than one audience
8:10 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:10 PM
she



tichure
8:10 PM
a bit more than that lander. So use conservative would essentially say that this is a bad lifestyle but they don't need this poem to tell them that. More than that, you would be saving one when Brooks wants people outside of this specific culture to see these people as bad people which they already do
she doesn't need more hate towards the greater segment of the population. She doesn't need fewer resources and less concern
8:11 PM
she wants more resources and more concern
8:11 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:11 PM
she was propagandizing the yyoung african urban community to publicize the issue of education



tichure
8:11 PM
we already have that audience Chelsea



chelsealeigh103
8:11 PM
not just education but the dropping out of it



tichure
8:11 PM
on talking about
the person who's actually more likely to read this poem
8:11 PM
that white college student
8:11 PM
that white person at the poetry reading who is going to be middle class or higher
8:11 PM
because that's her primary audience
8:12 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:12 PM
okay, I understand the term better now



tichure
8:12 PM
because that's who buys poetry



Lander #2
8:12 PM
yes or the white man, but they would not care at the time right?



tichure
8:12 PM
Lander, as part of your analysis you have to be realistic about who the audience is for the work
young black men are not sitting around reading poetry
8:12 PM
she is addressing them
8:12 PM
but the bottom line is she is also addressing the likely reader of her work
8:12 PM
and because you've already established from a Marxist perspective that she cares about this group, you have to ask yourself what she is doing with this poem that would further her agenda
8:12 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:13 PM
so shes propagandizing the white upperclass to try and get her messxage out so they can empathize and bring light the issue of whats going on in the inner cities



tichure
8:13 PM
and what you're looking for is something within the poem that would indicate that she is trying to reach the audience of people who are NOT depicted in this work in order to get them to care about this particular segment of the population
exactly
8:13 PM
because ultimately what does she end with
8:13 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:13 PM
DIE SOON.



tichure
8:13 PM
what does this lifestyle end with
what is happening to this group of people
8:13 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:13 PM
Death



tichure
8:13 PM
yes



chelsealeigh103
8:14 PM
they're dying and she wants to stop it
by getting the word out through her poetry
8:14 PM



tichure
8:14 PM
and for that non-African-American male reader, the speaker is fully aware of the dying. It's not ironic
the speakers fully aware that his life is going to be short
8:14 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:14 PM
wow. this is so much deeper than i thought it was



Lander #2
8:15 PM
i agree



tichure
8:16 PM
ready for another one?
Critical perspective I mean
8:16 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:16 PM
well i believe i am 100% prepared for my first resonse !
yes, I'm going to step away forn a minute, be RIGHT back!
8:16 PM



tichure
8:16 PM
psychoanalytical criticism is a critical perspective that, when applied to a character, says that the end of the story is what they always intended subconsciously.
You can look through the work and look for tells that the person ultimately was creating situations and acting in ways that will ultimately GUARANTEE what happens by the end of the story especially for tragedies
8:17 PM
what is the end result for this character speaking in the poem
8:17 PM



Lander #2
8:17 PM
death



tichure
8:17 PM
psychoanalytical criticism is used when it seems that the character is putting up some kind of front that ultimately is revealed to be untrue by the end of the work
at the beginning of the poem as we read do we get the impression that this character thinks that their life is good or bad?
8:17 PM
Do they think of their life is in control or not? According to the narrative
8:17 PM
and again you have to look at it from the character's perspective, not what YOU think
8:18 PM
according to the character, is the character trying to show is that they live a good life?
8:18 PM
Based on everything other than the eight line
8:18 PM
according to this character, is skipping school good? Is striking straight good? Is singing sin good?
8:18 PM
Yes or no
8:19 PM
is the character trying to convince us that these behaviors are good, something to be envied by those who do not engage in these activities?
8:19 PM
I DON’T mean good moral. I mean good like something that you want to something that others wish they could do




chelsealeigh103
8:20 PM
back, let me read through these questions really qiuick
kids were fighting over a cucumber at 8:00 at night lol
8:20 PM



tichure
8:21 PM
psychology tells us that very often people are fully aware of the true nature of their life, and, in many cases, the worse off they are, the more problematic their life is, the more likely they are going to put a good face on it. Psychoanalytically, the most adamant person trying to convince everyone how great their life is is the person whose life is in freefall and in a spiral of destruction.
My kids are fighting over a bag of Cheetos and the remote
8:21 PM
sadly, they are in their mid-20s.r
8:21 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:21 PM
I ate the cucumber. now no one gets it HAHA. meanparentaward



tichure
8:22 PM
You are the Solomon of parenting



Lander #2
8:22 PM
Im stuck in a Hotel for a week away from mine



chelsealeigh103
8:22 PM
hhahaha, enjoy it lander.



tichure
8:22 PM
hhahaha



Lander #2
8:22 PM
ups and downs



tichure
8:22 PM
so back to my question
parents
8:22 PM
hahaha
8:22 PM
back to my question
8:22 PM
does the character in this story in this poem
8:22 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:22 PM
I think what you said about the first few questions, is that when i originally read it, I thought she meant they really were cool



tichure
8:23 PM
other than the last line
want US to believe that their life is to be envied
8:23 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:23 PM
doing fun things,



tichure
8:23 PM
not what the author thinks
but what the character thinks
8:23 PM
exactly Chelsea
8:23 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:23 PM
its almost glamorized in those short three words



tichure
8:23 PM
but psychoanalytical criticism says
that we put up a front for other people
8:23 PM
even for ourselves
8:23 PM
to deny the reality
8:23 PM
a negative reality
8:23 PM
and instead what you do is you look at their portrayal of the positive
8:24 PM
and look for Freudian slips
8:24 PM
word choices
8:24 PM
phrasing
8:24 PM
that when looked at closely actually reveals the negative
8:24 PM
and at the end of the story everything that they said before
8:24 PM
was guaranteed to ensure that that and would happen
8:24 PM
look at the words
8:24 PM
the action words
8:24 PM
the verbs
8:24 PM
and list them without anything else
8:24 PM
are they positive and light or are they Negative and menacing?
8:25 PM
what are the verbs in this poem
8:25 PM
of course the first line has no verb
8:25 PM
but the rest all do
8:26 PM
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tichure
8:26 PM
what are the verbs, the actions in this poem
list them for me
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chelsealeigh103
8:27 PM
sorry lost connectio
ill finish now
8:27 PM
real cool
8:27 PM
left school
8:27 PM



tichure
8:27 PM
no verbs
just verbs
8:27 PM
left
8:27 PM
keep going
8:27 PM
no… Just verbs
8:27 PM
so left is one of them
8:27 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:27 PM
lef lurk strike sig rhink jazz die



tichure
8:27 PM
lurk
strike
8:27 PM
sing
8:27 PM
thin
8:27 PM
jazz
8:27 PM
die





chelsealeigh103
8:28 PM
sing* t



tichure

how many of these are negative
8:28 PM
how many of these also have a negative connotation
8:28 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:28 PM
three?



Lander #2
8:28 PM
strike and die



tichure
8:28 PM
was the negative translation of sing
what about lurk Lander
8:29 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:29 PM
lurk, die, strike?



tichure
8:29 PM
what about thin



Lander #2
8:29 PM
yes
and work
8:29 PM



tichure
8:29 PM
hahah
well work is not one of them. That's just bad Dragon speak
8:29 PM
but work is bad that's for sure
8:29 PM
what does the word SING mean
8:30 PM
that
8:30 PM
doesn't mean to create a song
8:30 PM



Lander #2
8:30 PM
to communicate



tichure
8:30 PM
but is actually used especially in the criminal world
specifically Lander
8:30 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:30 PM
sing is like rating someone out



tichure
8:30 PM
again, this is context
very good Chelsea
8:30 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:30 PM
ratting*



tichure
8:30 PM
good or bad



chelsealeigh103
8:30 PM
bad



tichure
8:30 PM
what is jazz mean



chelsealeigh103
8:30 PM
mafia doesn't like songbirds



tichure
8:30 PM
no we don't
um i mean
8:31 PM
no they dont\
8:31 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:31 PM
i'll never tell



tichure
8:31 PM
so I heard



chelsealeigh103
8:31 PM
jazz meaning?



tichure
8:31 PM
Yes
what does it mean
8:31 PM
besides music
8:31 PM



Lander #2
8:31 PM
blues?



tichure
8:31 PM
you're still in music and no it doesn't mean blues



chelsealeigh103
8:31 PM
it could mean like jazzy like flashy?
or jazz like dancing?
8:31 PM



tichure
8:31 PM
it could be jealousy



Lander #2
8:31 PM
or slick



tichure
8:31 PM
well again you're back in the music thing
very good lander
8:31 PM
if somebody is trying to give you a load of jazz, are you going to trust it
8:32 PM
and all that jazz
8:32 PM
good or bad
8:32 PM
trustworthy or not
8:32 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:32 PM
huh. never heard that one. but just context, no i wouldn't



tichure
8:32 PM
jazz is another term for nonsense



chelsealeigh103
8:32 PM
bad



tichure
8:32 PM
it's actually derived from people who do not like the music because they think it's a lot of noise
and they think it's nonsensical because it's not necessarily metered and structured like blues or folk music
8:32 PM
and very often
8:32 PM
most often
8:32 PM
has no words at all
8:32 PM
we also noted that sing
8:33 PM
can mean to confess
8:33 PM
confess sin
8:33 PM
psychoanalytically
8:33 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:33 PM
wow. interesting



tichure
8:33 PM
revealing that the character the narrator admits that what's going on is wrong
either are or can be translated as negative
8:33 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:34 PM
so at first glance, what looks positive and fun, is really all negatiely connotated



tichure
8:34 PM
lk All of the words that the character uses to describe action in their world either are or can be translated as negative
exactly
8:34 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:34 PM
negatively*



tichure
8:34 PM
in other words
would've chosen different words if they meant truly completely positive
8:35 PM
psychoanalytical criticism is not psychology but uses psychological theory
8:35 PM
and this is intentional by the author by the way
8:35 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:35 PM
Do you



tichure
8:35 PM
to show the revelation of the character despite the characters natural human inclination to try to present their world and their viewpoint as as positive
as possible
8:35 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:35 PM
I was just going to ask tat



tichure
8:35 PM
authors do this all the time



chelsealeigh103
8:35 PM
that*



tichure
8:36 PM
now understand that there has to be a denial
if your story is about a guy who starts out a suicidal
8:36 PM
and at the end he is suicidal and kills himself
8:36 PM
it's not psychoanalytical
8:36 PM
is simply the story
8:36 PM
if he keeps trying to kill himself
8:36 PM
and at the end of the story he hasn't
8:36 PM
because when he jumped out the window he didn't realize he was on the first floor
8:36 PM
or he was over a canopy that entered of saving him
8:36 PM
that ended up saving him
8:36 PM
and when he took an overdose of pills
8:36 PM
he chose the kind that made him puke them up and he survived
8:36 PM
and when he tried to shoot himself the gun jammed
8:37 PM
and when he tried to drive off the road he's driving a Volvo and therefore completely survived
8:37 PM
at the end of the story he's alive
8:37 PM
psychoanalytically
8:37 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:37 PM
hahaha



tichure
8:37 PM
he wants to live
despite his claims to the contrary
8:37 PM
you have to have the claim versus the reveal for psychoanalytical to work
8:37 PM
you understand how that works?
8:37 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:37 PM
poor guy



Lander #2
8:37 PM
in a Volvo



chelsealeigh103
8:38 PM
yes i do now



tichure
8:38 PM
there are other aspects to Marxist criticism such as class struggle that we can talk about in the future
and their other aspects to psychoanalytical criticism, such as application of Oedipus and Electra
8:38 PM
which we can talk about in the future
8:38 PM
and of course psychoanalytical on the author which we can talk about in the future on a different work
8:38 PM
but I think we have beat this particular horse quite dead
8:38 PM
hahaha
8:38 PM
by the way
8:38 PM
if you're going to do a cultural response
8:38 PM
and somebody mentioned a cultural response
8:38 PM



chelsealeigh103
8:39 PM
yes I think I will go over the literary terms once again, including the perspective criticisms



tichure
8:39 PM
understand the cultural response is not a description of the culture being portrayed
a description of the culture being portrayed is HISTORICAL
8:39 PM
cultural criticism is a translation of the WORK, not the issue the WORK by a particular cultural viewpoint and you are not allowed to choose a cultural response that is the same thing as your Marxist criticism
8:39 PM
in other words
8:39 PM
don't give me a cultural response to this poem that says these young guys need to change the lives
8:39 PM
instead give me a cultural response that says lady poet, you got this wrong.
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Our life is good
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and we do live long
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and we can gas
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and we are cool
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more jazz terms
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or questionable diet
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either one
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if you're going to use "dear mama" for your first paper
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and you do a Marxist criticism
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chelsealeigh103
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okay, hahaha



tichure
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which I expect you to do
do not do a cultural response from a young African-American male raised by a single mother in the inner-city and poverty
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chelsealeigh103
8:40 PM
thought of dear mama first



tichure
8:41 PM
because that's the Marxist
that message has Artie been made
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that viewpoint has already been made
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that point has already been made
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instead choose a critical perspective from a culture that says
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a drug addict single-parent on welfare who has multiple children from different fathers, and has no contact with them, and who has a dropout son who ends up in prison is a BAD mother
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who deserves to be in jail
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who deserves to be used as an example of poor parenting
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who is a cause of all the bad things that it ever occurred in history
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and then you have a cultural response
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your purpose is not to show me that the work has one meaning your purpose is to show me in your paper… In your PAPER… That the work has multiple DIFFERENT meanings because you're doing multiple critical perspectives
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is everybody clear
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chelsealeigh103
8:42 PM
yes



Lander #2
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Yes



tichure
8:43 PM
choose a topic for paper one and we will talk about that in chat next week. we will talk about what works and what does not. We will talk about what evidence you have and what you need.
Any questions
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chelsealeigh103
8:43 PM
one more thing Professor



tichure
8:43 PM
of course Colombo



Lander #2
8:44 PM
So our response is due by Sunday right?



chelsealeigh103
8:44 PM
Would you suggest going to the writing lab or the library if we need extra help with where to go once we have our secondary sources and evidence and what not?
I mean if I end up having troule
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trouble*
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its my first year back to school in 11 years, and while I
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Lander #2
8:45 PM
And our sources for our paper next week?



chelsealeigh103
8:45 PM
'i'm acing everything else, I don't want to end up giving you a plot analysis, becuase thats what I've done lol



tichure
8:45 PM
of course



chelsealeigh103
8:46 PM
okay thank you. So glad I was able to make it to the chat tonight,



tichure
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the tutoring is free an is helpful. The people who tutor Have gotten a B or better in the class
Lander, off hand, I don't know the due dates but they are clearly posted for each assignment as we go along
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you are building an annotated works because that will tell you whether or not you're finding VALID resource material for your chosen topic
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chelsealeigh103
8:47 PM
suprised there was only three of us! Okay great, thanks Professor, now go steal the batteries, eat the cheetos, and have a great night!



tichure
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understand that your reader… Me… Has read the primary source. The ONLY reason that you would tell me about a character about the plot is because it is EVIDENCE for specific analysis



chelsealeigh103
8:48 PM
yes, exactly. staying away from plot summaries, and things you clearly already know.



tichure
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3 is th emagic number
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZiv8vkxMac
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chelsealeigh103
8:48 PM
which seems to be a whole lot more than me!
Thanks Professor Eiland
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tichure
8:49 PM
have a great week everyone
yer welcome chelsea
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hope it was worth teh effort
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chelsealeigh103
8:49 PM
absolutley



tichure
8:50 PM
take care everybody
poof
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Lander #2
8:50 PM
Thank you everyone, it is better with more people. More questions.