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stichure: hey now greg
gregnercessian: How are you. let's do this
stichure: today we will be discussing the use of secondary sources and the
works excited page as well as the title page. These will be necessary for
your second paper
HeavenlyFlower731: okay, since i missed last week
gregnercessian: sounds good
stichure: a couple of things
stichure: is toughthis is a combined chat with the regular distance said 101
and the late start 101. Next week, the late start 101 will discuss worn
path while I discuss other things with the reg class and after that both
classes will be on the same track
stichure: besides the discussion about symbol, theme and setting as well as
narrative point of view in this paper, make this paper different from your
first paper. The first thing is the requirement of the title page.
stichure: the title page used to be standard for MLA
stichure: some instructors will require total pages for papers, and others
won't. For that purpose, I will show you what a title page is and I will
require one for this paper. There will not be a requirement for one on the
final paper
stichure: everyone please go to my web site... tell me when you there
stichure: not blackboard... my web site
carmel718: ok
gregnercessian: ok
stichure: paper format aND TEST INSTRUCTIONS
stichure: caps lock
stichure: http://www.citruscollege.com/DE/Eiland/eiland_shared/ppts.htm
stichure: scroll down to paper format
stichure: TITLE PAGES
stichure: let me know when you're there
carmel718: there
gregnercessian: i'm there
stichure: on your paper, normally you will put your name and the date and
the title of your work on the top of the first page of text. Then
approximately a quarter weight down you will start the text of your essay
stichure: the title page is designed to put specific information on that first
page. Centered about one third to one quarter of the way down, you'll
have the title of your paper. That is a TU. The title of the paper should
reflect the context of the Simon, but I am very lenient when it comes to
what specific title could be. Creativity is OK as far as I'm concerned and
certainly you get to use all the cool fonts that you wish
stichure: title of your paper is up to you
stichure: the title of the paper should reflect context of the assignment
stichure: people also might put in a picture
stichure: I don't care about that part
stichure: what is important, and what my help also you as well as your
instructor, is the information in the lower right hand side, justified to the
right margin. The information should be as follows: your name. the class for
which the assignment was completed. the instructor's name. The date it is
being submitted.
stichure: this should be spaced about an inch from the bottom of the page
stichure: the first page of text, then, should not have any title or any other
information unless you want to have a running header in the far upper right
corner of your paper which will have your name and the page number for
every page that you submit.
stichure: some people will complain that the title page requires that they
actually write more material since that first page would then have to be
filled up with brilliant text, let me put your mind at ease... the first page of
your actual text should start a quarter to a third of the way down, just as
most books start each chapter a quarter to a third of the way down the
page
stichure: again, this paper requires a title page.
stichure: any questions about the title page
stichure: there are title page examples linked from the page you are looking
at
stichure: you'll notice that each of them has a title
gregnercessian: No.
stichure: you'll notice that in the lower right hand corner, we have the
requisite information.
stichure: again, follow the style and no one gets hurt
HeavenlyFlower731: so it's going to be like this with all the papers right?
stichure: what's far more important, far more complex and required for any
literature paper required thereafter in this class, and certainly any literature
class you'll take in college, is a works cited page.
stichure: flower, it is required for this particular paper... if you choose to
put one on your final paper that is up to you
HeavenlyFlower731: okay
stichure: a works cited page only makes sense when you understand what
goes on it... and that requires the understanding of the use of secondary
sources
stichure: go back to the paper format and test instruction page
stichure: choose secondary sources
stichure: as we discussed earlier, the primary source is the story under
discussion. As on the first paper, this paper will require you to quote
directly from the primary source at least once per body paragraph, using
that quotation to support your analysis of the material.
stichure: secondary sources are those sources that are required to support
your analysis of the primary source.
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gregnercessian: ok
stichure: we're discussing secondary sources measuring
stichure: misery
x0missmiseryx0: ok
HeavenlyFlower731: okay, i printed it out
stichure: secondary sources are essentially like the first paper you did for
me. They are researched analysis of the primary source from specific
critical perspectives. For our purposes, we are looking for material that
specifically discusses what I asked you to discuss... symbolism... theme...
setting and narrative point of view
stichure: these critical analyses also include biographical information about
the author and historical context for the work
stichure: you are to use at least one of the secondary sources in every
body paragraph of your essay... the same as required for the primary
source.
gregnercessian: got it
stichure: usually the way that it works is as follows... you have an idea
about the symbolism in... say... the lesson... you decide that Harlem
represents poverty.
stichure: you find a quotation from the story that you think supports that
notion as presented by the author
stichure: then, you research and find an article by the different author who
wrote about the lesson and find a quotation which they also explained how
Harlem represents... in this story... poverty
stichure: you make your point in your words
stichure: you then follow that with the primary source to support that
stichure: you then follow that with the secondary source to support your
use of the primary source
stichure: and then you follow that with your final analysis to wrap up that
particular point
gregnercessian: example?
carmel718: question
stichure: keep in mind that like the primary source, the secondary source is
therefore support rather than to speak for itself. It should not begin or end
a paragraph. quotation of either primary or secondary source material
should not comprise the majority of the paragraph
stichure: it requires all so that you site using the author's last name and
the page number if it is available
gregnercessian: would that example be for setting?
stichure: a very short concise version would be something along the lines of
this...
stichure: that is correct greg
carmel718: in your example earlier does the 'other author' have to discuss
the lesson?
carmel718: or is it enough that the author discuss how harlem represents
poverty
carmel718: other author
stichure: in the lesson, 5th Ave. represents irresponsible spending. For
example, as the children approach the toy store, they see a woman
wearing a fur coat. "'white folks crazy"" (Bambara 34), says sugar, pointing
out the unnecessary use of the coat and it's obvious intention to impress
others. Jones also points out that "the children's understanding that the
wealth exhibited around them ignores an even insults their own poverty
makes clear that Bambara's point is more about any quality than it is about
education" (Jones 34). Bambara's use of 5th Ave. in contrast to Harlem also
intensifies that notion, especially when Sylvia explains her lack of basic
necessities.
stichure: that depends Carmel.... you are required to find some specific
secondary source material on your work... we will get to some of sources in
a minute. However, dictionary and Encyclopedia resources on terminology
and other obvious symbols... for example phoenix from one path... and
sailboat from the lesson will be useful as well
carmel718: ok
stichure: how you use your secondary sources is in some ways up to you.
But you must use the sources in order to explain a story that you chose
within the context of the theme that you chose
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borninshadow: Sorry for the tardiness
stichure: hello shadow... secondary sources... linked from the paper format
and test instruction page
stichure: it's OK shadow
gregnercessian: it's making more sense now
gregnercessian: thanks
stichure: again, I expect you to pare the primary and secondary sources
together in order to show that you understand what the secondary source
is saying. Besides having you use the secondary source to support the
primary source symbols that you found, another way is to read your
secondary sources and to discover what they inform you of concerning that
work.
stichure: an example would be if you found in your research a discussion of
the symbolism of the animals in one pass. While certainly some of them like
owl or the Fox may be obvious to you, some of the others like the
bobwhite, which is a small quail... might be less obvious. Your secondary
sources may tell you something you have not learned. In order for you to
use that material, make the point that was made by the secondary source
critic, use the secondary source quotation, and then you find a primary
source quotation that supports what they said. You then end your
paragraph with your wrap up analysis. Again, the consistency is that you
are keeping the text with in the body of that paragraph and are using it for
support rather than to make the point by itself
stichure: never begin or end a paragraph with quoted text
stichure: does everyone understand in theory what we're doing
carmel718: yes
carmel718: a lot of research needed
borninshadow: Secondary sources to help confirm symbols from the text,
right?
stichure: for this paper, you are required to find free -- five secondary
sources and one of them must be a biography. The biographical information
will support your contention that the story is related to the author either
because a character represents the author in some way or that the
author's own life experience or job is somehow reflected in the origin of the
story or the setting of the story
stichure: that is correct shadow
stichure: Carmel, these types of classes are research classes. What makes
this class transfer to Cal State and UC is the research paper
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carmel718: i wasn't complaining
stichure: hehe...and unfortunately it would not make any difference if you
did... what I was pointing out Carmel, is that essentially what we did for
the first paper was to prepare you for this paper in this paper is merely
small version of your final paper as well. Once you understand what to do
on this paper, you will know what to do for your final paper as well in terms
of content and support as well as format
stichure: by now you should have chosen the topic of your second paper
stichure: what we're about to do right now is together go to the library
stichure: are you all ready
gregnercessian: what type of sources should we use...specifically
stichure: did you bring your permission slip and your lunch
stichure: about to show you Greg
borninshadow: Uh oh...
borninshadow: Uh teacher? I left my permission left at home
gregnercessian: all ready for my field trip
stichure: sigh....
stichure: shadow, shadow, shadow
stichure: open a Web browser and go to the citrus college main page
stichure: the other option is to go to my main page and scroll all the way to
the bottom and you will find a link to the library
Judy Hollers: ready
stichure: tell me when you are at the library
x0missmiseryx0: there
carmel718: there
gregnercessian: there
stichure: literary analysis require specific information. You do not get
information like this from Google lien or even going to a public library. It
requires literary critical analysis that is usually found in college-level literary
journals, as these are articles written by and for the academic field
Judy Hollers: there
gregnercessian: got it
HeavenlyFlower731: oh okay, like a data base
stichure: you'll notice that on the library web site there is a link for English
101. The reason for that is that eight rather large percentage of the citrus
college library is specifically created for this class
stichure: it is a database
HeavenlyFlower731: lol
stichure: a rather expensive one, but then, that's why we're here.
stichure: if you click on an English 101, you will see that there are specific
links designed for literary research. You could also go to the periodicals
section link and you'll find other databases as well, but the ones linked from
English 101 are specifically designed for critical analysis
stichure: these resources require a password as well as the codename. If
you go to the library, you will find some rather large pieces of paper that
have a listing of all the passwords and all the code names that will get you
into these web sites
gregnercessian: i'm there
stichure: I insisted that at some point this week you go to the library and
pickup that sheet. You'll find it is also helpful work for research in your
science classes as well as your other humanities courses
stichure: to get us started, however, I will give you the Passcode to get
into the literature resource Center
gregnercessian: will do
stichure: click on the literature resource Center and it will ask you for a
password
carmel718: it's asking for id
stichure: absolutely
stichure: write these two down...
stichure: for the literature resource Center and for Twayne's the password
is citrus... lowercase
stichure: try now
stichure: if it asks for a second code, use the same
carmel718: ok
stichure: let me know when you're in
borninshadow: Richtig
x0missmiseryx0: here
gregnercessian: in
stichure: my German is a little rusty, shadow
borninshadow: Right or correct
stichure: thank you... I learned something today
borninshadow: heh heh
stichure: you will notice the first thing that occurs is that it asks youto
choose a direction. What I want you to do is to put the author's name of
the work that you are analyzing into that box
stichure: if it is worn past, the name is welty, Eudora
stichure: if it is everyday use, the name is Walker, Alice
stichure: if it is the lesson, it is Bambara Toni cade
carmel718: ok
stichure: if you only put any last name for Walker, you are likely to get the
listing of every single author named Walker, which is a fairly common name
stichure: so you need to choose your author...
stichure: choose the one born in 1944
stichure: I want to know when everybody is there...
carmel718: so that's what she looks like
stichure: indeed
gregnercessian: there
borninshadow: Is it just me, or is that eye open really wide?
stichure: born, when you read her biography perhaps that will explain why
she looks that way
carmel718: sheesh hehe
stichure: flower, Judy, misery...
borninshadow: I see...
stichure: let me know when you're there
stichure: or let me know if you're lost
stichure: this is very important... you'll need this for your final paper as well
x0missmiseryx0: there
HeavenlyFlower731: browsing through the links from your website
stichure: flour... go all the way down to the bottom of main page and find
library link
Judy Hollers: lost and slow
gregnercessian: there
HeavenlyFlower731: yeah, i'm on the citrus library webpage
stichure: clicked on English 101 flower
stichure: Judy... open a Web browser and go to my class
gregnercessian: did you want us all to go to Walker for purposes of this
discussion?
stichure: no greg... I want you to put in the name of the author that you're
going to write about
stichure: I used Walker as an example
stichure: either put in Bambara, Walker or welty
stichure: might as well put in the author you're going to use because you
want information you're going to use
gregnercessian: on it
stichure: for those of you who have found that page, click on the
biography section... read the biography of the author that you have chosen
gregnercessian: there are a few for bambara
stichure: read any or all of them, Greg
stichure: you'll notice folks at the first page that you get is a biography
page. This is important for two reasons. One, you are required to discuss
a certain level of biographical information as it pertains specifically to the
story. Secondly, it's always interesting to know who you're writing about.
In this particular assignment, you are required to discuss some aspect of
the author's life as it pertains to the story. I do not... DO NOT... want a
simple paragraph that is a biography. Instead, you're going to find some
biographical information that is relevant to the work
stichure: read the biographical information... at least one of them... now
stichure: for those discussing Walker and Bambara, the author's own
experience is reflected in at least one or more of the characters.
stichure: for example, for those of you who noticed the way that Alice
Walker looks, why does her eye look that way?
carmel718: oh she got shot in the eye
stichure: how did it make her feel as a child
stichure: for those of you who are discussing Bambara, what did she do for
living?
stichure: where did she grow up?
gregnercessian: politics and education
gregnercessian: she was ms. moore
stichure: that's it...
stichure: that's the information specifically from the biography I'm looking
for... I do not want a complete biography... I only want what is relevant to
the story or its characters
stichure: also, where did she grow up
stichure: where did she do her work? That's what I'm looking for
stichure: I don't need to know she was married or not... unless that's
relevant to the story
gregnercessian: harlem
stichure: I did not need to know how she died... that is not relevant story
gregnercessian: which is where the kids were from
stichure: exactly
stichure: do you see what I am saying... be selective
gregnercessian: yep
stichure: which character is Alice Walker like
carmel718: maggie
gregnercessian: I like when it becomes clear
stichure: why Carmel
stichure: me to Greg
carmel718: she felt bad about herself after the accident
carmel718: felt like an outcast
carmel718: inferior like maggie
gregnercessian: they are both deformed
stichure: you will notice that these biographies are not attributable to an
author... there is no critic whose given credit for this information. That
means you must cite these according to title... since the barter face title is
the author herself, the title of these would be the author's name in
quotation marks... the others complete name so a citation from here would
look like this ("Alice Walker")
stichure: very good Carmel
stichure: and what did Alice Walker do with her life...
stichure: did she stay feeling scarred and inferior
stichure: or did she change
carmel718: "she turned to reading and began to write poems"
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stichure: and Carmel ...
stichure: what did she do after that
gregnercessian: don't understand the citation on these biographies
carmel718: this woman had a lot of dark thoughts (scary)
stichure: Gregg, since there is no author, you will cite according to title
because there is no author
carmel718: " She became a keen observer of human nature, taking time to
see people and things around her in depth, to notice human relationships
and to care how they turned out."
carmel718: as her way to deal with her dark thoughts
stichure: Carmel... what did Alice Walker do later in life
stichure: is anybody researching Eudora Welty?
x0missmiseryx0: yeah
borninshadow: Welty here
gregnercessian: so I would just put ("Bambara")
stichure: for anyone doing Eudora Welty, I will tell you now that the author
is not like any of the characters. Instead, it is the what the author did for
living that is relevant to her choice of setting as well as to her choice of
character... her choice of characters based on someone she saw
stichure: what did she do for living
Judy Hollers: when would you like this paper due?
stichure: also, you will look for an article by Eudora Welty called "is Phoenix
Jackson's grandson really dead"... that is one source that you will find by
using Google
stichure: due dates are posted on the blackboard, Judy
Judy Hollers: ok thank you
stichure: no greeg... ("Toni Cade Bambara")
stichure: you also notice at the top of that page is other information... the
publisher
stichure: the date
stichure: you need this information as your research
stichure: you need the author if available of the article
stichure: the title of the article
stichure: the title of the work anthology or book the article came from
stichure: the publisher
stichure: the city of publication
stichure: the year of publication
carmel718: walker went to college then became an active participant in the
civil rights movement
stichure: it to work as a journal, volume number and issue number
stichure: which character Carmel
stichure: still Maggie?
stichure: which character went to college
carmel718: well that part is like dee
stichure: of course
stichure: do you see what I want from you
gregnercessian: where is this publisher info???
borninshadow: I think Welty was a publicity agent for the Works Progress
Administration
stichure: this particular section will be won or two paragraphs... if you're
discussing the lesson, your discussion of Ms. Moore as an embodiment of
the author would be one paragraph. It will be in the discussion of Ms.
Moore as a character.
Judy Hollers: i get it
stichure: if you discuss Alice Walker, you will note that he will discuss a
particular aspect of Walker's life in each of two paragraphs one of each for
each characters
stichure: that is correct shadow... what was her job
stichure: just a second greg...i'll show you where to get the information for
this particular biographical stuff
borninshadow: She went around taking pictures, interviews, and took her all
over mississippi
gregnercessian: O.k. So with Bambara, I would just include her info in the
paragraph about Ms. Moore
stichure: shadow, you will find in your research that she actually saw a
woman just like Phoenix Jackson
stichure: that is correct Greg
stichure: folks, for these biographies this is how I want your information on
your works cited page, which we will get to later
carmel718: for walker, do we have to try to discuss how she's like the
mother too?
carmel718: still haven't found anything on that
stichure: "Alice Walker" literature resource Center.Thompson Gale, 2005
stichure: know, Carmel
stichure: no
stichure: negative
carmel718: whew
stichure: any questions about the biographical information\
stichure: has everyone found something on a biography
stichure: tell me when you're ready to move on
gregnercessian: yes...but I don't see any way to cite this stuff other than
("Toni Cade Bambara")
stichure: by the way, for you Alice Walker people, there is some updated
information underneath her picture... noticed that there is a citation
underneath that information... if you decide to use that information, which I
do not think is necessarily relevant to this potato paper, you will note that
the citation is different from the citation I just gave you\
stichure: that's exactly what I want you to do Greg
gregnercessian: good
stichure: citation in text is the author's name in quotation marks because
that is the title of the article from where you got it
carmel718: so no page number
stichure: you'll notice on the page that you got all the list of the
biographies there is a tab right next to the biography tab...literary criticism,
articles and overview
stichure: exactly Carmel
stichure: because there are no pages
stichure: click on that tab
stichure: you will find that you have opened a database of literary
criticism... these are all articles about this author's work
stichure: if you have someone like Alice Walker that means a large number
of articles about various topics. We must narrow these topics down
stichure: so... we need "advanced search"... one of the rectangles above
those tabs
stichure: everyone clicked on ADVANCED SEARCH
stichure: let me know when you're there
carmel718: ok
carmel718: down to 6
stichure: this is a very powerful tool. It allows you to designate a specific
author
stichure: a specific work
stichure: even a specific term... symbol irony etc.
stichure: we're looking for symbol
gregnercessian: there
stichure: theme
stichure: setting
stichure: narrative point of view
Judy Hollers: there
stichure: put the author's name... full name... in the top box
stichure: in the next box, put the title of the work and change the little tab
to the right of it to read title
stichure: to read "title -- all words"
gregnercessian: ok
Judy Hollers: ok
x0missmiseryx0: k
HeavenlyFlower731: ok
stichure: search
gregnercessian: there
stichure: of what you'll get it is of the articles that were written about this
work
stichure: if you find that you'll still have too much material, and that third
box under advanced search, you can specify a particular literary term...
symbol or theme and in the designated box next to it choose ALL TEXT
stichure: the problem is is that some people discuss symbolism but use the
term imagery
stichure: the other problem is that the article is looking for the specific
word you put in there
stichure: if you choose the word symbol it will not find the words symbolize
or symbolized or symbolizing
stichure: if you choose the word theme it will not find the word thematic
stichure: so what you do is give the root of the word that you are looking
for with an asterisk\
stichure: example
stichure: them*
stichure: this will find a word theme, thematic, themed etc.
stichure: imag* or symbol*
stichure: this will find imagery, symbol, symbolized, symbolizing, symbols,
imagesetc.
Judy Hollers: oh ok
stichure: in the articles that you find those words will be highlighted
stichure: very often, this sole limits a discussion that you will find very
little, especially for example with Tony Kade Bambara
stichure: for those of you writing about the lesson, also know this... the
work is a chapter out of larger work called "gorilla my love". Most of the
analysis prior to five years ago on this story the lesson was actually on the
larger work called "gorilla my love." if you do not find enough material by
looking up "the lesson" look up "gorilla my love"
gregnercessian: yeah...there isn't too much
stichure: remember, you only need 3-5 secondary sources and one of them
is a biography
Judy Hollers: oh ok
stichure: I do not want you to be overwhelmed with secondary sources and
I do not want you to use so much secondary source material that you are
not doing any analysis yourself
gregnercessian: I notice that name popped up a number of times
Judy Hollers: good to know
gregnercessian: got it
HeavenlyFlower731: ok
stichure: you will see that name again this semester Greg... I guarantee it
gregnercessian: sounds like a threat
x0missmiseryx0: haha
Judy Hollers: lol
stichure: at this point, you now have a list of articles in front of you that
our written about your topic. You'll notice that these articles have the
following information... the critics name, the title of the article, original
publication source... Journal or book... the addition or volume of that work,
the publisher, the city and the date
stichure: you must note this information because you will need it for the
works cited
stichure: it's not a threat... it is the promise
Judy Hollers: lol
gregnercessian: ha
Judy Hollers: not for everyone right?
stichure: yes... for everyone Judy... but will get to that later
stichure: toward the end of the semester
gregnercessian: is there an example of the works cited page?
stichure: we are about to discuss that, Greg
stichure: I want to finish up this discussion first
gregnercessian: sorry
stichure: it's okay... I appreciate your enthusiasm
gregnercessian: too much coffee...I jumpy
gregnercessian: I'm jumpy
stichure: after her researching Eudora Welty's Wor n Path, for example, I
have an article by Robert Phillips
stichure: this is what it gives me for information in terms of who wrote it
stichure: Phillips, Robert L., Jr., A Structural Approach to Myth in the
Fiction of Eudora Welty, in Eudora Welty: Critical Essays, edited by Peggy
Whitman Prenshaw, University Press of Mississippi, 1979, pp. 5667.
Reproduced by permission. Reproduced in Contemporary Literary Criticism-
Select.
stichure: what you need from this is as follows
stichure: Phillips, Robert L., Jr., "A Structural Approach to Myth in the
Fiction of Eudora Welty." Eudora Welty: Critical Essays, edited by Peggy
Whitman Prenshaw, University Press of Mississippi, 1979, pp. 5667.
stichure: noticed that I put the articles title in quotation marks
stichure: noticed that the author is listed last name first
stichure: noticed that the phrase IN has been removed and the title of the
original anthology in which this article was found is now underlined
gregnercessian: got it
stichure: also, the publication information for the literature resource Center
has also been removed
stichure: so
stichure: for every article that you find
stichure: author... if available and for anything other than a biography or an
editorial in a newspaper, it will be available
stichure: last name first first name and then a period.
Judy Hollers: ok
stichure: followed by the title of the article that you are reading in
quotation marks also followed by a period
stichure: then, the work the article was originally published in either
italicized or underlined
stichure: followed by the publisher
stichure: city of publication
stichure: publication date
stichure: if it is the Journal, you may include pages
Judy Hollers: ok
stichure: if it is a journal as most of this will be you may include the pages
gregnercessian: ok
HeavenlyFlower731: ok
stichure: all college-level research requires a documentation of your source
material. In your science classes, you are required in essence to show
where you got your research material. The same goes for literary research.
Literary research requires that you find material written by other critics
and others who have gone before you and USE that material in your own
work. Obviously, you must quote and cite them accurately within the text
of your paper. But since only the author and the page number are listed in
the text, what follows is commonly known as the "works cited page"
Judy Hollers: i feel like i'm going to better on this paper
Judy Hollers: i will remember
stichure: the works cited page lists all of the works, including the primary
source, in alphabetical order by author's last name
stichure: go to my web site and choose works cited from the paper format
and test instruction page
Judy Hollers: i will make sure to check my spelling
gregnercessian: ok
stichure: go there now please\
Judy Hollers: ok
carmel718: ok
stichure: what people don't seem to understand about this... so I'll repeat
it as much as possible... is that whether or not a work is a primary or
secondary source is of no consequence on a works cited page. Your listing
each item in its order according to the authors last name. For those
articles that do not have an author, you list that work by its title
stichure: on my way discussion of works cited, you'll notice that the items I
am showing you are listed by the type of work, whether it is a book or it's
an anthologized work... like your story... or a Journal article, like those we
just saw
HeavenlyFlower731: so if there's no page numbers when it happens that we
quote somebody...do we say like...(Author's name, np)?
stichure: no flour... just the name
HeavenlyFlower731: okay
stichure: for those of you who decide to use articles by Alice Walker to
discuss Alice Walker's everyday use or use a work by Eudora Welty to
discuss Eudora Welty's worn path, your in text citation will be the title of
the work, since we must distinguish between which welty or Walker work is
being cited
Judy Hollers: ok
stichure: in other words, Alice Walker has written articles about her own life
and her work. Likewise, Eudora Welty has published an article about
Phoenix Jackson's grandson that I referred to earlier. These articles as well
as the primary work will be listed in your works cited page but in the text of
your essay, these works, if you choose to use more than one work by the
same author, will be listed by title
HeavenlyFlower731: ok
stichure: go to my "works cited page example"
stichure: you'll notice that the page is fairly simple. At the top it says
"works cited"
stichure: not bibliography
stichure: not sources
stichure: not "stuff I found on the Internet"
stichure: it is "WORKS CITED"
stichure: centered
carmel718: ok
HeavenlyFlower731: the underline is for no authors cited?
stichure: underneath that is a listing of the articles that you have used. If
your author is Alice Walker or Eudora Welty, it is likely that your primary
source will be listed last in your works simply because W. falls late in the
alphabet
stichure: heavenly... I will get to that in a minute
HeavenlyFlower731: ok
stichure: you'll also noticed that the format uses something called hanging
indentation
stichure: regular indentation indents the first line five spaces
stichure: hanging indentation indents every line but the first five spaces
stichure: noticed that what sticks out is the name, which of course is what
you used in the body of your essay
stichure: so when someone is reading your paper and they see a quotation
with (Jones 34), they go to your works cited page and then they can find
Jones rather quickly
stichure: there is a logic to this
stichure: you'll notice that under Steven Kings the stand is an article
called why I wrote the Green mile
stichure: that is also by Stephen King
HeavenlyFlower731: oh okay
HeavenlyFlower731: i got it
stichure: that line indicates that the article listed as the same author as
the previous article listed and also indicates that in the text of that
particular essay, the king works will be listed by title rather than by author
stichure: if there is no author, like the editorial listed on that page or the
television show "Adolf Hitler" the work is simply listed by title
stichure: you'll also noticed that it is called a works cited because it
includes things like interviews, research, books, articles, and even television
shows
stichure: and yes, there is a movie on a worn path as well as one on
everyday use, both available in your library
stichure: these are secondary sources
stichure: they are the director's translation of the primary work
stichure: they do not stand for the work... they explain it
Judy Hollers: i'm going to have to print up tonites chat
stichure: I posted for you, Judy
stichure: every paper after this point will require it works cited page...
since there are only two left, that means the next two papers including this
paper will require it works cited page
stichure: let me simplify... on paper two and three, you are required to give
me a works cited page
stichure: heheh
gregnercessian: got it
stichure: do not forget the primary source
Judy Hollers: wow
stichure: for those of you who want Welty's discussion of whether or not
Phoenix Jackson's grandson is really dead, google will help you there.
Otherwise, use the literature resource Center and Ebscohost
Judy Hollers: ok
gregnercessian: I'm still a little lost on the indentation
stichure: also keep in mind that Alice Walker has appeared on the Oprah
Winfrey show many times. Whether or not she is discussed this particular
work I do not know, but she has discussed thematically her ideas about
conflict within the black community and also her ideas about racism.
Thematically, some of these interviews may hold some information that you
may find useful for this assignment
stichure: greg, do you see the works cited example page
carmel718: line 1 - not indented, lines 2, 3, 4...indented 5 spaces
stichure: are you there
stichure: exactly Carmel
stichure: hanging indentation is one of the options on Microsoft Word
stichure: when you open a Word document, the line that holds the bold,
italics and underline and font information at the top of the page will have a
little arrow on the far right hand side. If you click on an arrow, it will offer
more options, one of them called "customize"
gregnercessian: Ok....I got it
Judy Hollers: ok i going to take a stab at it tonight
gregnercessian: thanks
stichure: when you click customize, it will open a dialogue box that has two
sides. On the left-hand side, choose format... on the right hand side then
scroll down and you will find hanging indentation almost exactly halfway
down the list
stichure: make that one of your buttons. When you create your works
cited page, highlight the entire paragraph of information, from the author's
name all the way to the last item in that particular selection. Then click
the hanging indentation and the computer will automatically hang the
indent for you
stichure: if that doesn't work, do it old-style... at the end of the first line,
hit return and put your cursor in front of the first word of the next line and
tap the space bar 5 times
carmel718: oh the typewriter days
stichure: yes indeed
HeavenlyFlower731: lol
Judy Hollers: alot to remember
stichure: that's why we spent the entire two hours just talking about this
Judy
stichure: back to the basics... is everyone clear about the title page
Judy Hollers: i needed it
stichure: give me a yes or no pleas so we can move on
HeavenlyFlower731: yes
carmel718: yes
borninshadow: Aye
Judy Hollers: yes
stichure: shadow... always being the individual
borninshadow: Yarrr
stichure: is everybody clear on where to find secondary sources\
stichure: shadow... always being the pirate
HeavenlyFlower731: yes
carmel718: yes
Judy Hollers: yes
stichure: like I said, go to the library and get the complete list of secondary
sources
Judy Hollers: ok got it
gregnercessian: ok
stichure: included in the secondary sources is a dictionary and an
encyclopedia, which will be useful for some symbols, including many of the
objects from the lesson as well as the objects from everyday use and a
worn path
stichure: also, if you want historical information about the social climate of
the era, some of the Eric and LEXIS-NEXIS information might be helpful
there
stichure: I don't want you to go too far, but the idea is for you to have at
your fingertips what you need
Judy Hollers: ok
Judy Hollers: little nervous
gregnercessian: thanks...this will be fun
stichure: Judy... stick to the basics... go to the literature resource Center
and get your three -- by secondary sources including one biography
stichure: 3-5 secondary sources
Judy Hollers: ok
stichure: does everybody understand what he works cited page looks like...
it will have anywhere between 4 to 6 items on it
Judy Hollers: i'm going tomarrow
gregnercessian: yes
stichure: by the way, in the library, they do have a style sheet for MLA
concerning both in text citation and works cited pages
HeavenlyFlower731: yes
Judy Hollers: ok
stichure: finally, the one excuse that you may not give me concerning your
paper is that the librarians would not help you. Like I said, the research
part of the library was centered around English 101 class, they know what
you're looking for, and they know how to help you. Their job is not to do
your research, but to show you where to look. If you are confused about
any of this, you are to go to the library and get some help
stichure: are there any questions
Judy Hollers: ok i know i'm there
HeavenlyFlower731: no
gregnercessian: no
Judy Hollers: no not tonight
carmel718: no
stichure: Judy... you're at the library or it now?
stichure: you're at the library right now
stichure: ?
Judy Hollers: no
stichure: okay... it was a figure of speech
stichure: sorry
stichure: heeh
stichure: feeling gullible
Judy Hollers: i need to be
gregnercessian: less than two weeks till this paper is due....
stichure: next week, the late start class will discuss worn path
stichure: that's correct Greg...
stichure: we will discuss some of the symbols next week but you should
already started
gregnercessian: ok
Judy Hollers: ok got it
gregnercessian: it was good
Judy Hollers: very helpful chat
gregnercessian: thanks again Prof. Eiland...these chats help big time
gregnercessian: see ya next monday.
stichure: for the regular class, we will discuss your draft
stichure: for the regular class, also, do not fail to take test... for the late
start class, I will and announce a test next week
stichure: you're welcome Greg...
borninshadow: ::blink blink:: TesT?
stichure: again, for the regular class, we are discussing your draft of paper
number two... this will be the time for you to get some feedback from me
carmel718: test #2, right? (just making sure i haven't missed one)
carmel718: can't afford to miss one after the first one (grrr)
stichure: that's correct, Carmel
stichure: it has been posted since the 12th, shadow
HeavenlyFlower731: i hear you Carmel
borninshadow: Gaah my slowness strikes again
gregnercessian: oh boy
stichure: however, we did not discuss irony
stichure: so make your essay about symbolism...\
stichure: we will talk about irony in two weeks
stichure: you have until Thursday, shadow
gregnercessian has left the conference.
borninshadow: Oh, whew
stichure: breathe
Judy Hollers: Bye Mr. Eiland
stichure: any other questions before I kick you outta here
stichure: take care, Judy
borninshadow: Where exactly was the test date posted?
stichure: the 12th
x0missmiseryx0 has left the conference.
stichure: on the message board shadow
stichure: where all the test and paper due dates are posted
borninshadow: I'm looking, but not finding
stichure: are you late start or regular, shadow
borninshadow: Regular
stichure: how many messages are in the test folder?
HeavenlyFlower731 has left the conference.
borninshadow: 1
stichure: refresh the page or perhaps you are in the late start class
stichure: tell me what\ the class number is
borninshadow: Oh, I think I accidently put myself down as latestart -.-
stichure: aHHA
stichure: heeeh
stichure: you put yourself in a distinct disadvantage]]
borninshadow: More than just a little
stichure: take the test with the late start class
borninshadow: Oh?
stichure: the school obviously thinks that you're in the late start class
borninshadow: That or just black board
stichure: well, either way, you need to get this done by the end of the
semester so do what works best for you.
borninshadow: Mmkay
stichure: have a good week
borninshadow: Heh thanks, you too
borninshadow: Bye everybody!
borninshadow has left the conference.
carmel718: bye
Judy Hollers has left the conference.
carmel718 has left the conference.
stichure: thanks
stichure: poof