- You joined the Main Room. ( 6:28 PM ) - - Your chat permission has been enabled. ( 6:28 PM ) - tichure 6:28 PM 101wp - Dan joined the Main Room. ( 7:08 PM ) - Dan 7:08 PM hello tichure 7:08 PM hey now Dan. Still loading Dan 7:09 PM okay great - Megan joined the Main Room. ( 7:11 PM ) - tichure 7:10 PM Hey Megan. Still loading. 7:11 PM Megan 7:11 PM hello. tichure 7:11 PM folks, only wait a couple more minutes for anybody else who might straggle in, let's establish couple things. To begin with, I take for granted that you have not only read the story, but you've also started some research, which I expect will lend itself to a rather lively in fairly quick conversation. For this particular story, the primary symbolic elements center around a specific group of things, which will help you organize your paper as such. I'm looking for development of the analysis of the author's use of animals, plants and other obstacles along path. 7:13 PM Jacvelasco367 joined the Main Room. ( 7:14 PM ) - tichure 7:15 PM Velasco, as I was just explaining to everybody, were going to go through this fairly quickly and as part of that, I will want individuals to respond as quickly as possible to the things I'm asking because each idea helps develop the next idea. So please have your book out 7:15 PM because I will be asking you where you got a particular idea 7:15 PM and the author's use of language is very important especially when you're using it to explain symbol and irony. 7:15 PM Folks, let me know when you are ready. 7:16 PM Megan 7:16 PM im ready... Jacvelasco367 7:16 PM im ready.. tichure 7:16 PM Fantastic. Let's start with the basics. 7:17 PM When you're responding to something I ask you, instead of giving me a one-word answer, give me a full complete answer because it will help people who were following along later on to understand the context in which are responding. For example, if I ask what particular symbol or conflict is happening, give me both the label and the explanation of the conflict or the label and the explanation of the symbol in a big long sentence 7:17 PM because it will make a lot more sense. 7:17 PM Let's get to another basic element. 7:17 PM What is the plot of the story? 7:17 PM Jacvelasco367 7:18 PM An old lady walking on a old worn path.? Dan 7:19 PM the plot is Grandma's quest for her grandson tichure 7:19 PM To do what Velasco to get what Dan? 7:19 PM a quest always has a goal. 7:19 PM Megan 7:19 PM A grandmother who is also blind, must walk a journey to get meds her grandson needs tichure 7:19 PM Good answer Megan By the way, she is not entirely blind. 7:20 PM let's talk about the characters and story. 7:20 PM What is the main character's name? 7:20 PM Dan 7:20 PM The main character's name is Phoenix Jackson Megan 7:20 PM Phoenix Jackson Jacvelasco367 7:20 PM phoenix Jackson tichure 7:20 PM What is a Phoenix? and by the way, I am looking for a complete explanation that is fairly concise and brief. 7:20 PM hahaah 7:20 PM Dan 7:20 PM Phoenix is a mythological bird tichure 7:20 PM May that may sound contradictory, but I need to know some details that will help us to determine whether or not this character is symbolic. That looks like what Dan? That does what Dan? 7:21 PM Jacvelasco367 7:21 PM It dies and becomes reborn Megan 7:21 PM Its a bird, the colors of fire. tichure 7:21 PM specific colors, Megan 7:21 PM Dan 7:21 PM A mythological bird that looks like a pontiac firebird tichure 7:21 PM hahahaha Megan 7:21 PM Orange, reds, yellow tichure 7:21 PM actually, the Pontiac Firebird symbol‚ not the car‚ looks like the mythological bird Dan. Megan, look at your character are any of those colors 7:22 PM reflected 7:22 PM in the character 7:22 PM ? 7:22 PM when only the symbolism is that the author will give a character name and then use some aspect of the description of the symbol two also refer to the character. 7:22 PM also, how does the bird die and get reborn? 7:22 PM By what process 7:22 PM which might be a reflection of why it's called Firebird, Dan 7:22 PM Megan 7:22 PM yes in her skin color tichure 7:23 PM what skin color, Megan? 7:23 PM your on the right track, but the details are important and you must be accurate. 7:23 PM Obviously you'll be using quotation in your paper, so you be using the author's words anyway. 7:23 PM Dan 7:24 PM The Phoenix dies and gets reborn through the ashes of it's predeccesor tichure 7:24 PM Therefore it dies how, Dan? Megan 7:24 PM In the beginning, the character is described as having a yellow glow beneath her skin and she wore a red rag over her hair the colors of a phoenix 7:24 PM tichure 7:24 PM very good megan‚Ķ do you see the difference Megan 7:25 PM yes, sorry i was trying to rush review and type at the same time Jacvelasco367 7:25 PM it dies by catching on fire tichure 7:25 PM being accurate will be required because when you're looking for quotation it determines how you get symbols translated. That is correct Velasco. 7:25 PM Does this character literally catch fire? 7:25 PM Phoenix Jackson 7:25 PM Jacvelasco367 7:25 PM no tichure 7:25 PM so we will have to look for some form of symbolic fire some sort of symbolic trial by fire 7:25 PM which is the terminology we use for anyone who has to go under extreme pressure situation. 7:26 PM Also, 7:26 PM the bird rises up 7:26 PM . 7:26 PM That means we might be looking for this to get her character to rise up. 7:26 PM Since we have open the door on animals, 7:26 PM I want the three of you to break up the animal list that she mentions at the beginning of the story 7:26 PM and take two of the items apiece 7:26 PM claim them right now 7:26 PM and then be ready to explain what the animal is, what they're known for and what human characteristic is related to that animal through symbolism. 7:26 PM Jacvelasco367 7:26 PM solitary little bird tichure 7:26 PM This is the point where she says ‚Äúout of my way‚Ķ‚Äù Jacvelasco367 7:27 PM oh whoops tichure 7:27 PM what was that bird Velasco? Megan 7:27 PM foxes tichure 7:27 PM All yours megan explain what Fox is in terms of human nature. 7:27 PM Megan 7:27 PM wait i need a minute tichure 7:28 PM I understand. I'm letting you know what I'm expecting when you finally post something. 7:28 PM hahahaah 7:28 PM If you can also make the connection to an actual individual that she encounters during the story when you make that posting, it'll be even better. 7:28 PM Megan 7:28 PM ok tichure 7:28 PM For example, if I were to say gators alligators 7:28 PM Dan 7:28 PM Owl tichure 7:29 PM I would point out that alligators are very strong predatory animals that use stealth to sneak up on their prey to destroy them, in the same way that the hunter in some way snuck up on Phoenix Jackson by becoming aggressive after he had been apparently helpful. all yours Dan 7:29 PM for the purposes of your paper, you may want to utilize the dictionary of literary archetypes which is available as an e-book through the library. 7:29 PM Dan 7:29 PM the owl generally symbolizes wiseess, smartness, intelligence tichure 7:30 PM Understand that in doing so, it may give you a fairly long list of attributes of any plant or animal or other literary icon that is used as symbolism. Your responsibility would be then to choose the one or two descriptions that apply to the authors use of this particular symbol in the story. Jacvelasco367 7:30 PM the bird is little. im not quite sure what im looking for tichure 7:30 PM What kind of intelligence Dan what is the reference in the story Velasco? 7:30 PM Is this in reference to the child or is this in reference to the bird that she hears as she begins her journey? 7:30 PM Dan 7:30 PM in the story, i believe the animal symbolizes a higher education. And an education that Grandma did not get tichure 7:30 PM very good Dan. Is there an individual in the story that she encounters that does have higher education? Jacvelasco367 7:31 PM the tapping of her umbrella cane made the noise of a little bird chirping tichure 7:31 PM Velasco, what I was originally intending for you to do was to go through the list at the beginning of the story in which she calls out a series of animals ahhh 7:31 PM So this is a narrative description. 7:31 PM Dan 7:31 PM Indeed. She encounters the Nurse that has a higher education. tichure 7:31 PM the symbolism, Velasco, is we've already established that the characters names Phoenix and therefore SHE is the little bird. Find another animal. Dan, what does she not want to hear from the nurse? What does she not want to know that an educated person would immediately recognize? 7:31 PM Jacvelasco367 7:31 PM beetles tichure 7:32 PM Excellent Velasco. Tell me what Beetles do and what they are associated with 7:32 PM Dan, what is Phoenix's conversation with the nurse concerning? What does Phoenix NOT want to be told by the nurse? 7:34 PM Jacvelasco367 7:34 PM they are tough and they have strategies to avoid predators from attacking tichure 7:34 PM What do Beetles do Velasco? Because many animals are tough and have strategies to avoid predators 7:34 PM and in fact all of the animals that she mentions all have strategies to avoid predators. 7:34 PM All animals do. 7:34 PM Were looking for the specifics that make the beetle identifiable and unique from other animals. 7:35 PM What do Beetles do in the food chain? 7:35 PM Jacvelasco367 7:35 PM eat plants and dead animals tichure 7:35 PM Very good Jacvelasco367 7:35 PM or alive ones tichure 7:35 PM therefore we associate Beatles with‚Ķ what Velasco? actually beetles rarely eat live animals. 7:35 PM They are an essential part of the food chain in breaking down dead animals and rotting plant material into soil. 7:36 PM and therefore they are associated with‚Ķ 7:36 PM Velasco, if an animal or plant is associated with dead animals, that animal Or plant therefore is going to symbolize and be associated with‚Ķ what? 7:37 PM Jacvelasco367 7:38 PM death tichure 7:38 PM very good. What death is she concerned about‚Ķ what death is she hoping to avoid? Dan 7:39 PM Phoneix does not want to be told that her son is uncurable Jacvelasco367 7:39 PM her grandson? Megan 7:39 PM So foxes are nocturnal hunters, they set out at night to hunt. Could this symbolize the people who are dangerous to the grandmother, such as the kkk. specifically the kkk knight riders, they would meet at night and hold cross burnings and attack african americans. tichure 7:40 PM very good Dan. Find a another animal. Very good Velasco. Find another animal associated with death. It doesn't have to be in that list. It could be another animal she encounters along the path. 7:40 PM That is correct megan... Except‚Ķ is the KKK actually in the story? 7:41 PM Megan 7:41 PM no tichure 7:41 PM also, foxes are associated with an HUMAN trait if you call somebody foxy 7:41 PM you are making one of two assessments. 7:41 PM What are they? 7:41 PM Megan 7:42 PM sassy, attractive tichure 7:42 PM That's one what's the other 7:42 PM I've never heard sassy by the way. 7:43 PM I've heard attractive‚Ķ 7:43 PM And something else 7:43 PM for quick reference, simply look it up in the dictionary as an adjective 7:43 PM Jacvelasco367 7:43 PM Am i looking for anything that has to do with death or just animals? tichure 7:43 PM Velasco, did you find another animal that is associated with death? Animals 7:43 PM Megan 7:44 PM really? that just popped in my head . sassy when i think of foxy. but if i look it up, i see sexually appealing, and slyly clever tichure 7:44 PM an ideal way to break up your paragraphs in this particular story is to take seems that the author presents us with and then analyze how they work within the context of the story and how it's told. Slightly clever 7:44 PM does she come across somebody who is clever and sly‚Ķ who tries to trick her. 7:44 PM Megan, what you're looking for is a character who tries to trick her work together to do something by being more clever than she is. 7:44 PM Velasco, what I was saying was is that an ideal way to break up your paragraphs is to go with the themes that the author presents. 7:44 PM The author has a list of animals and indeed the author uses these animals to indicate character traits‚Ķ human traits that we then see reflected in the actual people in the story. 7:45 PM you could do an entire paragraph on animals and how they symbolically relate to other characters and story. 7:45 PM You could do an entire paragraph on plants, which We will do shortly and do the same thing. 7:46 PM you could do an entire paragraph on other obstacles that she encounters, and my point is that once you start down a path‚Ķ in this case looking for animals that are associated with death, you want to look through the entire story and find more of them so that way when you discuss the Beetles, you would also discuss the other animals that are associated with death and the fact that she fears that her grandson is dying or maybe already dead. 7:46 PM Megan, is there a character that she encounters 7:47 PM that lies to her? 7:47 PM That tries to get her to change her mind? 7:47 PM Megan 7:47 PM the hunter wants her to go back home tichure 7:47 PM The difference between the owl and the Fox‚Ķ both associated with intelligence, is that the owl is associated with traditional book learning intelligence. The Fox is associated with StreetSmarts‚Ķ cleverness and is less reliable. They are often tricksters who try to get the protagonist to do something the protagonist does not intend to do. 7:48 PM Very good megan 7:48 PM try another animal please 7:48 PM we've done the owl 7:48 PM the Fox 7:48 PM Dan 7:48 PM Beetle tichure 7:48 PM the beetle I covered the gator 7:48 PM Velasco is looking for another animal associated with death. 7:48 PM Dan 7:48 PM A Beetle respresent Death and Rebirth, A transformation. tichure 7:48 PM Pick one of the other animals from her list. Jacvelasco367 7:48 PM wild hog tichure 7:48 PM How is that Dan? Very good Velasco. What is a wild hog? 7:48 PM Dan, we covered the beetle. Velasco covered the beetle 7:49 PM Megan 7:49 PM ill do jack rabbit tichure 7:49 PM we got the death part take itmegan 7:49 PM Jacvelasco367 7:49 PM Its a pig tichure 7:49 PM megan 7:49 PM Dan 7:49 PM greeks believed that a scarab beetle respresents death and rebirth tichure 7:49 PM It's not just a pig Velasco. 7:49 PM Jacvelasco367 7:49 PM symbolic for being selfish ? 7:49 PM Dan 7:49 PM Ah okay, sorry Velasco tichure 7:49 PM It's a hog Jacvelasco367 7:49 PM its cool tichure 7:49 PM yes. Is there a character who is selfish in the story? 7:49 PM Dan, your added notion of rebirth would also help with the idea of the Phoenix itself 7:50 PM especially if the grandson is dead. 7:50 PM Does she say hog? 7:51 PM that she also say wild hog or does she say wild boar? 7:51 PM What is exactly her terminology? 7:51 PM wild pigs are known for something besides greed. 7:51 PM If you call somebody a hog, it is gluttony. Selfishness. 7:51 PM If you use the term wild hog or wild boar or wild pig, you're adding another element. 7:51 PM It has to do with the nature of these animals 7:51 PM . 7:51 PM In fact, they recently made a show about this. 7:52 PM Jacvelasco367 7:52 PM the fact that they are wild - Megan left the Main Room. ( 7:52 PM ) - tichure 7:52 PM Well it's more than that Velasquez. What is the nature of a wild boar‚Ķ a wild pig? 7:52 PM Cute? Oddly? 7:52 PM Cuddly? 7:52 PM Delicious? 7:52 PM Jacvelasco367 7:53 PM agressive? tichure 7:53 PM Very good Velasco‚Ķ does she come across somebody was aggressive? Somebody who was aggressive? 7:53 PM Jacvelasco367 7:54 PM the man who points his gun at her? tichure 7:55 PM Very good Velasco. You are on a roll are there any other aggressive animals that she mentions? 7:55 PM Jacvelasco367 7:55 PM sweeet! the dogs fighting 7:55 PM tichure 7:55 PM Animals that would act aggressively and also reflect human nature in that context? Well the dogs fighting is one thing. 7:55 PM Does a particular dog assault her? 7:55 PM Dan, did you find another animal in the list? Another animal that she encounters? 7:57 PM Another animal associated with death? 7:57 PM Let's do a few more so we can move on to a different category. 7:57 PM Jacvelasco367 7:58 PM bull? Dan 7:59 PM not yet Jacvelasco367 7:59 PM the dogs do not attack her however they growl at her 7:59 PM tichure 7:59 PM What is the ball? What what is a bull? 7:59 PM what does it do? 8:00 PM Dan 8:00 PM did we cover Jack Rabbits? tichure Megan was going to take But she left 8:00 PM so it's all yours 8:00 PM Velasco, where is she when the hunter finds her? 8:00 PM Jacvelasco367 8:02 PM she went to a ditch? Dan 8:03 PM A Rabbit is symbolic of longevity A Jack Rabbit runs away from predators 8:03 PM Jacvelasco367 8:04 PM a swampy part of the path tichure 8:05 PM Dan, what do Jack rabbits look like and why 8:06 PM Velasco, why is she in a ditch? 8:06 PM she just decided to take a nap? 8:06 PM A rabbits known for longevity? 8:06 PM Jacvelasco367 8:06 PM she is meditating tichure 8:06 PM hahahaha Velasco seriously‚Ķ why is she laying in a ditch? 8:06 PM and by the way 8:06 PM she even refers to her self up in a particular way which comes back to something we discussed earlier 8:06 PM ,,, 8:06 PM Jacvelasco367 8:07 PM ohhhhh the well? 8:07 PM "for it was here when i was born" 8:08 PM tichure 8:08 PM Velasco. She's laying in the ditch 8:08 PM why is she laying in a ditch? 8:08 PM How did she get there? 8:08 PM Secondly, 8:08 PM the hunter comes along 8:08 PM he says 8:08 PM I'm paraphrasing now 8:08 PM what are you doing Laying in a ditch? 8:08 PM and she says what 8:08 PM her exact words 8:08 PM Jacvelasco367 8:09 PM lying on her back like a june bug waiting to be turned over mister 8:09 PM tichure 8:09 PM a June bug what is it June bug 8:09 PM what family of animals is it June bug? 8:09 PM Jacvelasco367 8:09 PM beetle! tichure 8:09 PM yes hahahahaha 8:09 PM and what put her into the ditch? 8:09 PM Jacvelasco367 8:09 PM i noticed that but i wasnt sure if they were the sam same 8:09 PM a dream? 8:09 PM tichure 8:11 PM That is not the same thing Velasco. That is when she sat underneath the tree and little boy came by 8:11 PM . 8:11 PM That is a different episode 8:11 PM a different place. 8:11 PM Find where she is laying in the ditch when the HUNTER finds her. 8:11 PM And figure out why she's laying in the ditch. 8:12 PM DN, what is the Jack rabbit 8:12 PM Dan 8:12 PM a jACK RABBIT has big feet, to run away from it's prey tichure 8:12 PM and why are they built the way that they are? That is correct 8:12 PM the guys a little eyes? 8:13 PM Big eyes or little eyes? 8:13 PM Big ears or little ears? 8:13 PM Dan 8:13 PM Big ears, big eyes, Jacvelasco367 8:15 PM she lays there because in her dream when she reached her hands up nothing reached down tp pull her tichure 8:16 PM Dan, what is the expression on a rabbit's face?> especially with the constantly moving nose 8:16 PM Velasco, she has two incidents.. 8:16 PM In one of them, she is sitting underneath a tree and a little boy appears to her and offers her a cake and when she went to reach for it, it disappeared. 8:17 PM In the other one, she's laying in the ditch 8:17 PM and no one reached down to pick her up and pulled her out 8:17 PM . 8:17 PM How did she get into the DITCH 8:17 PM ? 8:17 PM Because I'm still trying to finish the conversation about the dogs. 8:17 PM hahahaha 8:17 PM Jacvelasco367 8:18 PM the black dog attacked her tichure 8:18 PM Yes the same dog that she says to the white hunter 8:18 PM Jacvelasco367 8:18 PM i think im blind tichure 8:18 PM he a big black dog. He is afraid of NOBODY 8:18 PM what is the author saying 8:18 PM about 8:18 PM race 8:18 PM Dan 8:18 PM The rabbit is easily frightened, sniffing for enemies or danger tichure 8:18 PM and about who preys on other people? That is correct Dan. 8:18 PM Therefore she's afraid of what 8:19 PM she's trying to avoid what 8:19 PM And it may sound circular but it is actually an important aspect that is reflected elsewhere in the story. 8:19 PM Jacvelasco367 8:19 PM shes trying to avoid being attacked tichure 8:20 PM yes but you're missing something else Velasco 8:20 PM Jacvelasco367 8:21 PM like how beetles avoid being attacked? tichure 8:21 PM Velasco, which dog knocked her into the ditch? 8:21 PM Jacvelasco367 8:21 PM the black dog tichure 8:21 PM when she was pointing out to the hunter that the dog was black, what did she expect the hunter to do? why did she accentuate the point that the dog was black and not afraid? 8:21 PM What is she trying to get the hunter to do? 8:21 PM why would she point out to the hunter that the dog was black and unafraid? 8:24 PM what does she expect the hunter to do? 8:24 PM Jacvelasco367 8:25 PM pull her out the ditch? tichure 8:25 PM by this time she's out of the ditch. Velasco, does she feel comfortable with the Hunter? 8:25 PM Or does she feel threatened by the hunter? 8:25 PM Jacvelasco367 8:26 PM she sounds comfortable tichure 8:26 PM I bound to go On My Way, Mr. Granny you come too far 8:26 PM better go back home so nothing bad happens to you 8:26 PM ahahaha 8:26 PM reread the conversation. 8:26 PM And ask yourself why she would draw attention to the dog. 8:27 PM Dan, let's talk about human beings. 8:29 PM Who does she encounter along her way? 8:29 PM Jacvelasco367 8:31 PM im not sure why she draws her attention to the black dog tichure 8:31 PM She is being threatened she knows she's being threatened 8:31 PM this is finalized When he actually points a gun at her face. 8:32 PM she draws attention to the dog 8:32 PM and its blackness 8:32 PM Jacvelasco367 8:32 PM she feels uncomfortable at this point tichure 8:32 PM and its lack of fear because the white hunter 8:32 PM is likely to show 8:32 PM how superior 8:32 PM he is 8:32 PM to any lack being that shows no fear. 8:32 PM In other words, to him it's a challenge. 8:32 PM To further that, she says to the black dog 8:32 PM Sic em 8:32 PM to start a fight between the hunters dog and the black dog knowing that the hunter will have to respond and therefore she can perhaps get away. 8:32 PM But the authors also making the point that if the black dog 8:34 PM represents black men 8:34 PM in terms of how they are targeted by the white hunter 8:34 PM which would be appropriate for the era 8:34 PM is also the author making a point the fact that it knocks her over and finds her 8:34 PM that she is not only victimized by the fact that she is black 8:34 PM but she's also victimized because she's a woman 8:34 PM including by other African-Americans. 8:34 PM And being that this person is a woman, an African-American, uneducated, poor, old, and in firm, she is at the absolute bottom of the social totem pole 8:35 PM Dan 8:36 PM Do you want me to list all the people she meets? tichure 8:36 PM yes hahahaha 8:36 PM we need to move this along. We're running at a time. 8:36 PM Out of time. 8:36 PM Dan 8:36 PM oh okay haha The Hunter, The nurse 8:36 PM tichure 8:37 PM Keep going Dan 8:37 PM The girl that ties her shoes tichure 8:37 PM keep going Who was the first person she talks to the clinic? 8:37 PM and who did she meet along the road? 8:37 PM Dan 8:37 PM The doctor tichure 8:37 PM Not a doctor the person who says ‚Äúcharity case I suppose‚Äù 8:37 PM Dan 8:38 PM the attendant, the one that asks is she is deaf tichure 8:38 PM yes and finally one other person‚Ķ perhaps not real but a person nonetheless 8:38 PM And then finally a person she does not meet but was often referred to in the story. 8:38 PM Dan 8:38 PM Grandson tichure 8:38 PM yes describe the grandson 8:38 PM Jacvelasco367 8:39 PM hes sick tichure 8:39 PM with the exception of the grandson, everybody else that she meets is white. The author is giving us a range of white responses to this old black woman. Each character has a specific aspect of the character which is part and parcel of how African-Americans are treated in society at this time. We certainly discussed in some ways what the Hunter's responses. Be specific about why he is sick. 8:39 PM Dan 8:39 PM She met a scarecrow.,. tichure 8:39 PM That is true‚Ķ and what did she say Dan? What did she do with it Dan? What does that symbolize Dan? Jacvelasco367 8:40 PM his throat tichure 8:40 PM What happened Velasco‚Ķ Like I said, answer in complete ideas so we can move this along. Jacvelasco367 8:41 PM his throat closes up and he is not able to swallow tichure 8:41 PM why Velasco is also unable to speak 8:41 PM he can barely get his breath 8:41 PM but why is his throat damage? 8:41 PM Dan 8:42 PM She danced with the scarecrow tichure 8:42 PM What does the scarecrow represent? Jacvelasco367 8:43 PM he swallows a lye ? what is that> 8:43 PM ? 8:43 PM Dan 8:43 PM It represents a man tichure 8:43 PM Look it up Velasco this is important. 8:43 PM Dan, what kind? 8:43 PM alive or dead? 8:43 PM SCARE CROW 8:43 PM Jacvelasco367 8:44 PM its a solution used for washing tichure 8:44 PM that is correct Velasco but in its pure form 8:44 PM Lye is basic in the same way that sulfuric acid is acidic 8:44 PM https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRzudwGs0O7vl0vxHgpO9_aoYtaUJvrQUj_Y_QkyI9s816rI3ujxQ 8:45 PM we use it to unclog drains 8:45 PM because it eats hair 8:45 PM and dissolves that 8:45 PM FAT 8:45 PM what would it do if you drank it 8:45 PM Dan 8:47 PM A dead scare crow Cold on the inside 8:47 PM Jacvelasco367 8:47 PM you would die? tichure 8:47 PM yes Dan 8:47 PM is this another symbol for death? 8:47 PM That is correct Velasco. 8:47 PM Dan 8:47 PM yes tichure 8:47 PM Describe the boy according to what Phoenix Jackson says find the exact quotation. 8:47 PM If so, Dan, what is she doing? 8:48 PM Jacvelasco367 8:48 PM "he not able to swallow. he not get his breathe. he not able to help himself. " 8:48 PM tichure 8:49 PM That's part of it give me physical description that she uses when she's discussing this with the nurse 8:49 PM so he's not able to get his breath 8:49 PM he cannot help himself‚Ķ he cannot do anything on his own. 8:49 PM Keep going 8:49 PM Jacvelasco367 8:50 PM "he sit up there in the house all wrapped up, waiting by himslef" tichure 8:50 PM describe the space described his face 8:50 PM Jacvelasco367 8:51 PM he wear a little patch quilt and peep out holding his mouth open like a little bird tichure 8:52 PM so you have a kid 8:52 PM cannot believe 8:52 PM cannot move 8:52 PM layers in a bed without getting out 8:52 PM his mouth is open 8:52 PM alive or dead? 8:52 PM Jacvelasco367 8:52 PM hes dead tichure 8:52 PM yes which links back to what she's afraid of hearing 8:52 PM our symbol about the owl. 8:52 PM However 8:52 PM follow me on this 8:52 PM I want you to listen 8:52 PM LISTEN 8:52 PM to yourself say these words: 8:52 PM he swallowed lye 8:52 PM how else could this be translated?? 8:53 PM swallowed.... 8:53 PM swallowed lie.... 8:55 PM what why would a young black man of the 1930s swallow 8:55 PM that would burn in his throat 8:55 PM leave him helpless 8:55 PM take away his voice 8:55 PM make it so he cannot speak 8:55 PM all of these symbolic 8:55 PM Jacvelasco367 8:57 PM because his voice wasnt something heard in the 1930s tichure 8:57 PM exactly Lord, look at the time 8:58 PM good Lord would time 8:58 PM good Lord, look at the time 8:58 PM folks, work on your paper. 8:59 PM Due date is coming up. 8:59 PM Jacvelasco367 8:59 PM is there any way to save this conversation? tichure 8:59 PM notice the dates for the outline. You should get that to me very quickly. hahahaha 8:59 PM Velasco, if you go on my website, there is a chat ARCHIVE 9:00 PM where all the chats are archived, and this one will be up there by tomorrow morning. 9:00 PM Jacvelasco367 9:00 PM okay cool! tichure 9:00 PM our discussion merely scratches the surface of the analysis of this particular work. Develop your papers. 9:00 PM And make sure you get your stuff in on time. 9:00 PM Have a great week everybody 9:00 PM Jacvelasco367 9:01 PM can i send uou our last response this weekend? you* 9:01 PM tichure 9:01 PM Yes on campus or online Velasco? 9:01 PM Jacvelasco367 9:02 PM online ill be in indiana this weekend tichure 9:02 PM ahh ok 9:02 PM yeah 9:02 PM send away 9:02 PM Jacvelasco367 9:02 PM okay cool thanks! have a good weekend professor! 9:02 PM tichure 9:02 PM take care you too 9:02 PM poof 9:02 PM