You have just entered room "engcitguy Chat47." Vorvodoss has entered the room. Vorvodoss: I will have my Oates essay posted tomorrow morning DramaGirl125 has entered the room. engcitguy: ok Vorvodoss: can we talk about oates in the beginning? engcitguy: any questions about oates? engcitguy: yes engcitguy: go ahead Vorvodoss: you said that she didn't know much about the real murders when she wrote the story... Vorvodoss: however, the story imitates the reality so closely, I find it hard to believe she did not research it in great depth engcitguy: she said she only heard sketchy details engcitguy: but didn't want to be influenced by facts engcitguy: we can choose to disbelieve Vorvodoss: she has details down to the stuffed boots engcitguy: drama, what is your final paper on? engcitguy: v engcitguy: im only telling you what she said in an interview DramaGirl125: wuthering heights engcitguy: approaches? Navy SEAL 089 has entered the room. Vorvodoss: right. I don't disbelieve you. :-) engcitguy: you can do that too, v Navy SEAL 089: how's it going. engcitguy: good navy Vorvodoss: nah. you have been pretty honest with us so far engcitguy: we are discussing final papers Vorvodoss: hey navy Navy SEAL 089: hey Vorvodoss DramaGirl125: i want to take the psychoanalytical approach but do I have to do the one that is paired up with it? Vorvodoss: have you chosen the list of topics we can pick from for the final exam yet? DramaGirl125: i think it was feminist? engcitguy: drama engcitguy: you may pair it up with AY engcitguy: ANY crit we cover in the class engcitguy: no, V engcitguy: i am still getting votes engcitguy: i will have t posted by thurs nite Vorvodoss: cool engcitguy: navy? engcitguy: final topic? DramaGirl125: so, for example, i could do psycho. and historical? engcitguy: absolutely, drama DramaGirl125: cool Vorvodoss: btw. on my final paper, I am going to reference 'Salems Lot and The Dead Zone. Yet, I do not plan on using them as anything more than secondary sources. Is this ok? Navy SEAL 089: no topic... btw... the link you sent today... i can't get through Navy SEAL 089: http://www.citruscollege.com/FF/tEiland/distance/engl103s/paperlist.htm Zrron has entered the room. engcitguy: i linked to it, navy Zrron: hello class engcitguy: im testing it now engcitguy: i only want those other stories as secondary, V Vorvodoss: hey z Navy SEAL 089: my netscape can't connect... my IE is saying "not connected" Zrron: if i crash forgive me. i'm working on a laptop in longbeach Vorvodoss: yes...? Vorvodoss: fancy, z Zrron: what are we discussing engcitguy: citrus may be down Zrron: not fancy just necessary engcitguy: let me check Vorvodoss: I am using them as reference material for the characters of Richard Dees and for the Night Flier himself. There are similarities in the way the vampires in the short stories and 'Salems Lot act Zrron: what are we discussing?? engcitguy: ok Vorvodoss: final papers Zrron: ok Vorvodoss: so, as long as I do not make the secondary novels too much of a focus, I am fine? Zrron: Mr. E if not the green mile can i do Joyce C Oates??? engcitguy: yes, v engcitguy: yes zrron Zrron: thanks Zrron: the message board posting is due?? engcitguy: should be by weds next week Zrron: everything is due by weds it looks like engcitguy: yes Zrron: office hrs? engcitguy: 11-1 Zrron: i need some help!!!!! engcitguy: on what engcitguy: let s talk now Zrron: my posting engcitguy: what are you working on engcitguy: office hour Zrron: i'm stuck with the name "friend" and illicit drugs use engcitguy: is now engcitguy: how? engcitguy: how are those terms relevant engcitguy: anyway, engcitguy: more on papers engcitguy: navy engcitguy: have you chosen a work yet Navy SEAL 089: i'm still looking through engcitguy: you essentially have a week engcitguy: im not complaining engcitguy: just letting you know' DramaGirl125: how long would you like the final paper to be engcitguy: 7-10 engcitguy: pages engcitguy: no more than 10 Navy SEAL 089: how many sources? DramaGirl125: any particular number of secondary sources you have in mind engcitguy: no less than 3 engcitguy: no more than 7 engcitguy: anyway Vorvodoss: bye all Vorvodoss has left the room. engcitguy: crits engcitguy: bio hist engcitguy: author influence and time it was written engcitguy: psych Navy SEAL 089: and you want us to write all? engcitguy: author reveals what character REALLY THINKS through a set of Freudian slips engcitguy: no engcitguy: pick two engcitguy: OR engcitguy: WE see how author is revealed by his or her own work in terms of hidden agendas engcitguy: new historicism engcitguy: a work is looked ta from TODAY'S standards and beliefs, ignoring the era th ework was created in engcitguy: formalist engcitguy: work is looked at as text only engcitguy: no bio, hist, psych , fem or anything engcitguy: feminist engcitguy: work is looked at from the perspective gender portrayal and gender role...often focuses on proclivities of the author engcitguy: deconstruction engcitguy: looks at words as malleable...ever changing engcitguy: and therefore, a work can have multiple meanings, often much different than writer intended engcitguy: any i left out? engcitguy: ahhh engcitguy: reader response engcitguy: the understanding that a work's meaning is the result of a MEETING of two influences engcitguy: writer engcitguy: and reader RRa2975255 has entered the room. engcitguy: it does NOT mean the story means anything you the reader decides engcitguy: it does mean you are to try to elicit the meaning from the work, filtered through your own experiences as well RRa2975255: what are you guys talking about? engcitguy: your final paper AMDBEME has entered the room. AMDBEME: hello, and what is the topic? engcitguy: what is your paper on, RR? engcitguy: same question, amd AMDBEME: which one, group or final? engcitguy: final paper AMDBEME: never mind it will be on Irony RRa2975255: have you decided the topics engcitguy: i am referring to your paper, not the test RRa2975255: sorry RRa2975255: i am doing where are you going,... engcitguy: the test topics are being suggested on the message board now engcitguy: good engcitguy: an approach? AMDBEME: flannery O'conner A Good Man is Hard to Find engcitguy: nice engcitguy: approaches? engcitguy: crits? RRa2975255: i am doing psychological criticism engcitguy: and? engcitguy: you need two RRa2975255: bio engcitguy: nice engcitguy: psych by author on characters? engcitguy: or psych by you on author> RRa2975255: by author AMDBEME: Bio and historical with emphasis on Irony engcitguy: should be interesting engcitguy: what is hist context of GOOD MAN, amd? AMDBEME: religion and the south, I hope. engcitguy: when was it written? AMDBEME: 1953 engcitguy: and in the south, how important is religion in the 50's engcitguy: this may also pertain a bit to oates' story as well AMDBEME: it is the bible belt, it was very important in life, upbringing and how people viewed one another engcitguy: yes engcitguy: how does this type of upbringing effect how people respond to unforeseen circumstances engcitguy: this works for connie in oates' story as well AMDBEME: the look and pray to jesus AMDBEME: no! AMDBEME: it does not, she uses it as a say in regards to her appearance engcitguy: i am trying to follow, amd engcitguy: but im afraid you lost me AMDBEME: connie was shallow, she based things on ones appearance engcitguy: rr, you are doing opates engcitguy: oates' story engcitguy: what is connie's response to a stranger's commands? engcitguy: would we act the same way? engcitguy: why or why not? Zrron has left the room. RRa2975255: well , engcitguy: amd, in oconner's story, what gets the family in contact with the killers? engcitguy: we are listening, rr AMDBEME: religion is an under tone of the story, but she doesn't look to it as a religious aspect engcitguy: correct engcitguy: so tell me what impact it has AMDBEME: Gramma RRa2975255: in some way she knows that was wrong for her to talk to a stranger engcitguy: splain, amd engcitguy: yes, rr... RRa2975255: but she kept on talking to him AMDBEME: she was scarred that she might run into the misfit RRa2975255: and that gave the stranger a chance to take advantage of her engcitguy: amd, how did they find the misfit...or vice versa AMDBEME: and on the way to there vacation she urges the son to visit some plantation and the get into an accident AMDBEME: i type slow AMDBEME: and the misfit just happens to be on the same road engcitguy: rr, in context to today, would we walk out of our house at the behest of a stranger? RRa2975255: there is no way i would take to a complete stranger RRa2975255: whom i don't know nothing about engcitguy: amd, again, how do the killers get in contact with the family? engcitguy: rr...that aside, how do we teach our kids to treat strangers today engcitguy: and what was the rule back in the mid60's? RRa2975255: they teach them not to go with them AMDBEME: via an accident, the misfit help get people out of the car and grandma recognises the misfit RRa2975255: or take anything from them RRa2975255: basically to stay away from them, that is what my aunt tell her kids engcitguy: why do they accept help, amd (getting close) AMDBEME: I read the story some good years ago, I have re-read the story only that it was funny in a dark way engcitguy: and what did we tell kids in the 50's about adult strangers, rr? engcitguy: it is funny engcitguy: heavy irony RRa2975255: you know what i have no clue AMDBEME: they son, wife and kids don't realize who the misfit is and except there help AMDBEME: yes heavy irony engcitguy: why, amd DramaGirl125 has left the room. engcitguy: what have they been trained to expect? engcitguy: this goes for rr too AMDBEME: that all people in the south are good christian folk engcitguy: what did we tell kids on terms of trust and RESPECT back in the 50s, 60s and even 70s? AMDBEME: and back then you really didn't have to worry about such instances engcitguy: actually engcitguy: you did engcitguy: we just didn't talk about it engcitguy: there was just as much pedophilia, rape, and kidnapping as now engcitguy: maybe more engcitguy: since many crimes went unreported engcitguy: because if a girl got raped back then..... engcitguy: whose fault was it? AMDBEME: she was ashamed AMDBEME: it was her fault AMDBEME: she did something to bring it upon herself RRa2975255: people taught their kids to respect elder people AMDBEME: but A friend was dressing like a teenager RRa2975255: and since strangers are older then they count too AMDBEME: she wasn't trying to respect him engcitguy: yes, rr, with what possible results engcitguy: did she know he was no teenager? engcitguy: in fact RRa2975255: she knew he wasn't a teenager AMDBEME: at first she thought so, then she got a closer look and realized he was much older engcitguy: oates' own perspective was that she thought it strange and frightening that the KIDS in town protected this murderer engcitguy: correct AMDBEME: she kind of like his look AMDBEME: at first, engcitguy: also, more on the religious side engcitguy: why did she go with him? AMDBEME: there is the satan aspect of friend engcitguy: what could she gain AMDBEME: devilish AMDBEME: type things engcitguy: amd, please elaborate AMDBEME: he knew things of the family her friends, only things that she knew of AMDBEME: it was like she was looking at herself in weird sort of way AMDBEME: wanting to escape the house and family she lived with AMDBEME: she was a teenager going through puberty AMDBEME: want to feel sexual and wanted to be noticed, friend had a way with words, she kept connie talking AMDBEME: at the beginning connie blew off the other boy in the car and felt good about it engcitguy: can you tie in a religious aspect there? AMDBEME: but friend knew just what to say, and slowly took away engcitguy: what was her original purpose in going with the faster crowd? engcitguy: yes engcitguy: but oates goes to great lengths to point out how general he was engcitguy: that he was basically letting connie fill in the gaps engcitguy: between what he knew of the town and her willingness to believe he knew more, she was an easy mark AMDBEME: she went to the burger joint because that where all the cool older kids went RRa2975255: the reason she went with him was because he told her that he would hurt her family if she doesn't RRa2975255: so she was trying to protect her family RRa2975255: not because she liked older people or to be sexual or anything like that AMDBEME: reading other crit anal, there are different ways to take who a friend was engcitguy: rr, you are correct in why she went with friend, but not so correct as to why she went to drive ins in the first place engcitguy: in fact , from a religious aspect, she was going to be appreciated when she died ..as a what?> AMDBEME: where are you going, I don't get that engcitguy: her decision to go with friend was decided, as rr correctly stated, when she thought it would save her family AMDBEME: I want to disagree engcitguy: if you die for someone else, what are you? engcitguy: you can engcitguy: show me in the story' AMDBEME: but it is to hard to type engcitguy: 8~) engcitguy: heheh engcitguy: i know the feeling AMDBEME: martyr engcitguy: yes amd AMDBEME: but she wasn't a marty engcitguy: she makes a conscious decision to go because then they will finally appreciate her AMDBEME: it's more psychoanalytical than that engcitguy: pls explain, amd AMDBEME: there are to sides to connie AMDBEME: one when she is at home, the other when she is out with her friends engcitguy: yes engcitguy: does she feel appreciated at home? AMDBEME: I am thinking.... RRa2975255: ISN'T EVERY PERSON LIKE THAT engcitguy: splain, rr RRa2975255: lots of people act a way at home and when they out with their friends they act differently engcitguy: certainly oates' point was to show a duality to her nature engcitguy: yes engcitguy: which was the real connie, rr? engcitguy: home or friends? RRa2975255: when she was out with her friends engcitguy: if that was the case, RRa2975255: because she wanted to express herself AMDBEME: she is the one out of the house engcitguy: why was friend able to get her to go engcitguy: by threatening the family she professed to detest? AMDBEME: she has real need for romance and it is disillusioned RRa2975255: because they are not overprotective as the parents AMDBEME: one at that AMDBEME: she wants the romance that are found in music and in movies engcitguy: amd, are you implying that she wanted to go with friend out of a misguided romantic notion? AMDBEME: the irony is that she wanted prince charming but was seduced by the devil engcitguy: but you are implying there that she was unaware of his demonic nature RRa2975255: so Amd do you leave home all the time to find romance\ engcitguy: my wife wont let me AMDBEME: he stripped connie of what she was engcitguy: by using what tool, amd? AMDBEME: and ultimately would take her virginity engcitguy: what was the final decision maker RRa2975255: by threatening her engcitguy: show me text AMDBEME: using connies own words engcitguy: with what? AMDBEME: I knew you were going there engcitguy: what got her out of the house, amd? engcitguy: specifically engcitguy: there is no ONE CORRECT answer here RRa2975255: he was threatening her engcitguy: all i ask is\ that you support what you come up with engcitguy: with WHAT rr? RRa2975255: hurting her family engcitguy: yes engcitguy: so why'd she go? RRa2975255: to protect them from harm engcitguy: because she was the "i hate my family" connie or the "i am afraid for them" connie? AMDBEME: what would he do, was there any weapons RRa2975255: i am afraid for them AMDBEME: did he say how AMDBEME: she was only 15 RRa2975255: she tried to do something engcitguy: explain your point, amd… AMDBEME: she did not care that much, the reason she stay home ways to show her indpendance engcitguy: but that doesn't explain why she gave into friend engcitguy: even the critics say that if thee was a romantic notion, it was the romantic notion of being the one who is missed...by the family RRa2975255: Mr. E why do you keep saying friend engcitguy: arnold engcitguy: friend engcitguy: is the killer RRa2975255: he wasn't her friend engcitguy: no kidding engcitguy: i think RRa2975255: hehehe engcitguy: that was one of the ironies engcitguy: im just guessing on that engcitguy: heheh RRa2975255: but she didn't know the guy RRa2975255: at all engcitguy: oates named him that because the kids really protected him as if he were a friend engcitguy: his real name was charles schmid AMDBEME: galenet has some really great critiques on this engcitguy: lay 'em on me AMDBEME: hold on i was on it at work engcitguy: one or two anyway... engcitguy: avy engcitguy: any comments so far? engcitguy: navy? Navy SEAL 089: still reading your conversations with the other students RRa2975255: is anybody still there Jeanette103 has entered the room. engcitguy: yes, rr Jeanette103: Hey.. all RRa2975255: hi AMDBEME: Critic: Marie Mitchell Olesen Urbanski Source: Studies in Short Fiction, Spring, Jeanette103: AMD: we need to talk about our message board assignments AMDBEME: 1978, pp. 200-03. Reproduced by permission Criticism about: Joyce Carol Oates (1938-), also known as: Rosamond Smith engcitguy: rr, what do you think oates was revealing about connie in her portayal of her? Jeanette103: What else is there to do on "Where are you going ? AMDBEME: galenet, look under oates and critics on her work this person has unique look at the story Jeanette103: k... engcitguy: tell us briefly, amd AMDBEME: david is going to try to get a chat on tonight Jeanette103: hrmmm.. I will comment on her analysis.. and say whether she gives sufficient evidence etc Jeanette103: isnt that cool ?? Jeanette103: good... I need to talk to him too :-) engcitguy: Jeanette engcitguy: what is your final paper on? Jeanette103: eng: I am doing it on either Where are you going, or Death of a Salesman RRa2975255: she is telling us that connie is a teenager who make mistakes all the time but when it come to a moment of truth she tries to protect what is dear to her Jeanette103: can I do it on Oates.. even if we are doing her story for our message board assignment ? engcitguy: you have a week to get it done, so choose soon..in fact ,you may want to just do oates, since that is what most are doing engcitguy: but is always your choice engcitguy: yes Jeanette103: k.. engcitguy: paper will be much longer and more involved...he MB assignment wd be a segement of your big paper AMDBEME: Arnold Friend does not exist--which makes him no less "real," since "phantasy is a mode of experience" (Laing). "He" is simply Connie's projected other self, engcitguy: amd, i have seen that ne AMDBEME: this basically is view engcitguy: he fulfills the EVIL fantasies of her psyche engcitguy: her id engcitguy: this would also account for her dreamlike state AMDBEME: Critic: G. J. WeinbergerSource: American Imago, Vol. 45, No. 1, Summer, 1988, pp. engcitguy: which some may link to hormones engcitguy: or drug use AMDBEME: from galenet RRa2975255: are you guys saying that all what happened could have been a dream all along engcitguy: amd, do you agree with that author, or are there flaws\ in the argument engcitguy: the theory is that this experience is hallucinatory engcitguy: a dream engcitguy: or vision AMDBEME: serious flaws, I was trying to combine a couple a view points AMDBEME: but I type to damn slow engcitguy: some saying it is connies own desires engcitguy: amd engcitguy: \use the flaws in your paper as counterpoints AMDBEME: friend, in a satan type of way wanted connie to come on her own, after hew stripped her mentally engcitguy: it will make a difference in your grade engcitguy: kind of like a free will issue? engcitguy: she is eve, friend is satan engcitguy: what is the apple? AMDBEME: do we graded on the group, or is just for participation AMDBEME: thank you' engcitguy: you are graded individually engcitguy: always engcitguy: your work alone AMDBEME: better let david know AMDBEME: he thinks it just points engcitguy: everything is a grade engcitguy: even this engcitguy: which gets me back to engcitguy: this RRa2975255: so we post the short essay on the message board right engcitguy: what is apple..the temptation engcitguy: yes engcitguy: and the long essay is sent to me Navy SEAL 089: ... what is this short essay? engcitguy: what's friend tempting connie with Jeanette103: what do you mean// long and short essay Jeanette103: do you just mean message board assignment and paper 3?? AMDBEME: don't say family engcitguy: discussion group on the message board navy and Jeannette, is 10% of your grade and is a diff assignment from final paper engcitguy: yes jeanette Jeanette103: k.. engcitguy: whew Jeanette103: heh engcitguy: ANYWAY engcitguy: what is he tempting her with? RRa2975255: killing her family, RRa2975255: i think engcitguy: if it her free will to go to him, what does she have to gain? engcitguy: that s backwards, rr...amd 's theory is polar opposite of yours. RRa2975255: ok AMDBEME: friend is able to get pass connies at home personality engcitguy: rr says friend forced her to go through threat engcitguy: not her free will AMDBEME: which is cynical, distant and superior engcitguy: amd says she gave in, in a sense AGREEING to go engcitguy: and she gains what RRa2975255: if she was willing to go engcitguy: yes.... RRa2975255: why would she cry and scream engcitguy: what is he offering? AMDBEME: connie is of the superficial RRa2975255: he is offering love engcitguy: rrr...as she walked out the door, is she showing any emotion? AMDBEME: she wants love and romance engcitguy: in a way engcitguy: in a demented way engcitguy: but as friend talks romantically, maybe that would work Jeanette103: he is tempting her.. with acting out her fantasies AMDBEME: she could have blown off friend at the beginning when he first drove up, but she let him stay Jeanette103: b/c before she only DAYDREAMED of things she would do with guys she met engcitguy: yes...which besides sex, which is obvious? Jeanette103: hmmm engcitguy: something bigger than sex..to her anyway RRa2975255: love she always dreamed of engcitguy: what is her conflict with her family? engcitguy: what kind, rr? RRa2975255: as in romantic love AMDBEME: to be the focal point, to get all the attention engcitguy: rr, possible, engcitguy: amd, engcitguy: that might be something AMDBEME: plus the romance as in the movies and what is sung about it, music plays a big role in this story, it; engcitguy: how does she get all the attention? engcitguy: if she goes AMDBEME: everywhere engcitguy: what kind of attention engcitguy: she gets attention now engcitguy: mostly from boys engcitguy: and negative attention from parents engcitguy: define new attention AMDBEME: by her looks, she get the attention by the cute smile Jeanette103: so..he is offering attention* ? engcitguy: she gets that before she goes with him Jeanette103: hmm engcitguy: Jeanette, you'd have to tell me what kind engcitguy: this gets back to what i asked earlier Jeanette103: ok engcitguy: why did she go according to a literal (formalist ) reading of the story AMDBEME: the adult attention, because she is entering adulthood and is looking for that engcitguy: what KIND engcitguy: she gets sexual attention now AMDBEME: love engcitguy: she gets negative attention now Jeanette103: romantic attention like from the movies engcitguy: hmmm RRa2975255: mr. E can the attention be positive from her parents because she got rapped engcitguy: she knows hes gonna kill her engcitguy: rr AMDBEME: no, RRa2975255: her parents would take more care of her engcitguy: how would that be positive, rr...because it could RRa2975255: i was just asking engcitguy: she gets killed engcitguy: not just raped engcitguy: she knows it engcitguy: it is part of why she goes RRa2975255: got it engcitguy: how will her family feel about her, according to her own thinking? Jeanette103: eng: what kind of approach.. should we use for this paper ? engcitguy: look at the last two pages of the story Jeanette103: and should we say what approach the author used ? RRa2975255: they will blam themselves engcitguy: any two for paper 3 engcitguy: rr...and? engcitguy: why? Jeanette103: k engcitguy: yes jeanette if that is possible Jeanette103: alright.. also.. just wondering how we cite the interview with carol oates.... that was in our textbook RRa2975255: because they had left her alone at home Jeanette103: the book doesn't show the original source.. or where they got it engcitguy: interview...barnet Jeanette103: k engcitguy: and who did she die for, rr? engcitguy: how will they feel about that? RRa2975255: her parents engcitguy: folks, in this story a main element is connie becoming a woman engcitguy: or wanting to engcitguy: sex is one way, but oates takes it to another level by showing that the real transformations are things like acceptance and appreciation and being treated with respect engcitguy: we look at what she has to lose (she was kidnapped) or what she has to gain (she went along willingly) engcitguy: and in each case, ask what OATES is trying to tell us Jeanette103: ok... engcitguy: anyway engcitguy: before i go Jeanette103: so does that mean-- engcitguy: any questions about paper? Jeanette103: I would be using the feminist approach Jeanette103: because I am mentioning becoming a woman etc engcitguy: i think it would work in two ways engcitguy: thats not feminist per se Jeanette103: hrmmm Jeanette103: ok engcitguy: feminist would say that Connie becoming a woman has particular aspect s that are ignored by mainstream society AMDBEME: the test, have the choices been posted Jeanette103: ohh i see engcitguy: hat her looking for respect is harder than for a man engcitguy: no engcitguy: we are still taking candidates engcitguy: i will post thurs nite AMDBEME: jeannette go to galenet, one of the critics touch on the feminist point engcitguy: thanks amd AMDBEME: i like david suggestion the lottery Jeanette103: AMD: k... thanx engcitguy: any other questions about paper engcitguy: say so in message board Jeanette103: yeah... AMDBEME: how many sources engcitguy: it will get most votes and win Jeanette103: is it 7 pages again ? engcitguy: 7-10 engcitguy: 3-7 sources Jeanette103: k RRa2975255: trying to kill us engcitguy: pls list primary sources in works cited engcitguy: i have to read them , rr engcitguy: who is killing whom?> engcitguy: 8~P Jeanette103: do you want short biography on authors life ? RRa2975255: you are killing yourself engcitguy: exactly engcitguy: no jeanette Jeanette103: ok.. engcitguy: instead, link bio info directly to story or its themes engcitguy: ie a woman writing on women's issues AMDBEME has left the room. Jeanette103: hmmm Jeanette103: got it.. I think engcitguy: any test questions? Jeanette103: but it is kinda hard to write, because I read here interview Jeanette103: and it said she took it from ANOTHER STORY Jeanette103: so now I am biased engcitguy: yesa real murder Jeanette103: hrmmm engcitguy: use it Jeanette103: ok ;-) engcitguy: its historical engcitguy: works better than bio i think engcitguy: anyway Jeanette103: yeah.. RRa2975255: i would use that engcitguy: test topics will be posted by thurs nite engcitguy: take the test engcitguy: by next week fri engcitguy: and get er paper into me by wed engcitguy: get yer message board assignment by weds also engcitguy: and then we are done engcitguy: done Jeanette103: ok RRa2975255: ok bye mr. E Jeanette103: how will we find out our grade engcitguy: ]last chat is next tues Jeanette103: for the class ?? RRa2975255 has left the room. engcitguy: send me a postcard engcitguy: or an email AMDBEME has entered the room. engcitguy: about a week or so after last day Jeanette103: ok Jeanette103: got it ;-) AMDBEME: thank you engcitguy: anything else on test?> engcitguy: yer welcome Jeanette103: yeah... engcitguy: ... Jeanette103: are we just going to post our individual -- engcitguy: yes Jeanette103: parts on the message board ? AMDBEME: what about test, i missed Jeanette103: or do we need someone to compile it together Jeanette103: so that it has an intro conclusion Jeanette103: etc engcitguy: no post yer own in the folder engcitguy: the compilation will be there Jeanette103: hmmm engcitguy: just do yer part AMDBEME: do make comment on each others submitted essay' engcitguy: no engcitguy: i make comments to each of you engcitguy: you ,may comment engcitguy: but it is not part of the grade Jeanette103: sooo... Mr E, AMDBEME: where will the discussion credit come from Jeanette103: will commenting on another authors essay.. be sufficient ? Jeanette103: or do I need like EVERYTHING like on a test??? engcitguy: a grade i give you on your discussion engcitguy: Jeanette AMDBEME: back and forth with you? engcitguy: [post yer own topic for a grade Jeanette103: my own prompt/topic Jeanette103: ok.. I get it... engcitguy: amd...you post, i read, i grade, i send you an private email engcitguy: yes j Jeanette103: ;-) Jeanette103: 5-7 paragraphs ? engcitguy: on mb? engcitguy: 3-5 is sufficient Jeanette103: yeah Jeanette103: ok engcitguy: i gotta go folks. engcitguy: i'll see ya next week engcitguy: email me with probs engcitguy: i will answer later tonight Jeanette103: ok.. thanks for your help!!! engcitguy: and all week as usual engcitguy: yer welcome engcitguy: ' Jeanette103: Bye all.. Navy SEAL 089: see ya Jeanette103 has left the room. engcitguy: bye j engcitguy: bye navy engcitguy: bye amd AMDBEME: later, poof engcitguy: poof