Joined on November 2, 2011 at 6:54 PM Tichure: 101 Tichure: hey now Charbel 1: Hi Professor Charbel 1: I just back from work Tichure: first I want to ask a couple questions about the final paper Tichure: you understand what I'm asking you to do? Tichure: on the final paper Charbel 1: kind of Tichure: okay Tichure: have you chosen one of the stories yet Charbel 1: not yet Charbel 1: I still have to response to do Charbel 1: two Scott[_]L: I am here. Tichure: responses are less important right now Tichure: hey now, Scott Scott[_]L: gotcha. won't respond. Scott[_]L: see ya Tichure: hahah Scott[_]L: haha Charbel 1: Hi Scott Scott[_]L: Hi Charbel Tichure: charbel, have you chosen one of the stories you for your final paper Charbel 1: not yet Tichure: Scott, Have you chosen anything for your final paper? Scott[_]L: Sorry, I'm not at my home office. Using mcdonalds wifi right now haha. Scott[_]L: just have my book on me Scott[_]L: Was going to do Sonny's Blues Tichure: okay Tichure: you've read the story Sonny's blues Scott[_]L: I have in the past, actually. Tichure: ok Tichure: let me organize my information here Scott[_]L: I'll have to reread it to let it refresh my memory Scott[_]L: Please do. I'm dealing with my own lack of organization right now haha. Tichure: hahhaah Tichure: I completely understand Tichure: some information on the final paper Tichure: what I expect to happen between now and before December is an opportunity to discuss your paper in what you're writing on it in some real way, which means you need to choose your topic and then begin the writing and analysis process Tichure: as part of that, we need to establish that you understand where to find resources Tichure: and I was going to do that today because a couple of you can in no way get to the library in any reasonable fashion Scott[_]L: And I greatly appreciate that. Tichure: shall we go on a field trip together Scott[_]L: I did access that information you sent a while back, the databases and what not Charbel 1: let's go Scott[_]L: Magic Schoolbus? Scott[_]L: Are you going in drag as Ms Frizzle? Tichure: i want to show you some specific things that you'll use Scott[_]L: Awesome. Tichure: well it's a bus, in its magic, but probably not the one you're thinking of Scott[_]L: I think a tie dyed VW minibus is magical in every way possible Tichure: this one has a >furthur< sign on it Tichure: hahaha Charbel 1: but he'll enjoy the ride Tichure: open a browser. Tell me when you're ready Scott[_]L: it's all about the trip, Charbel Tichure: always charbel Scott[_]L: I'm ready. Charbel 1: me too Tichure: go to my website.... at the bottom of the main page for the class, there will be a link to the library Tichure: the page are going to get exactly search engine. I want you to do is go up to the top of that page and click on the blue links that take you to library home. It'll know you're at library home because there'll be an actual picture of the library including a bunch of links underneath it that we're going to use tonight. Scott[_]L: gotcha. links to lib.citruscollege.edu Scott[_]L: gotcha Scott[_]L: www.citruscollege.edu/library/pages/default.aspx Scott[_]L: (For our lovely readers at home) Tichure: hahaha Tichure: Thank you Tichure: when you go to the library, you need to vreate a virtual library card using your Wingspan ID and your password. you're going to need that now Charbel 1: got it Scott[_]L: It's alright. I'm logged in. Charbel 1: would be better Scott[_]L: And again, I apologize for being a little scattered tonight. Not in my usual atmosphere for studying. aka at home with a lovely glass of crown Tichure: I. understand Tichure: Artemis Scott[_]L: haha Tichure: He Scott[_]L: is that for the school of hard knocks? Tichure: Freudian slip Tichure: hahaha Scott[_]L: And I'm sure Freud would have a lot to say about that, too Charbel 1: I'm inside the jail Tichure: Yeah, except he's dead Tichure: we will set you free charbel Scott[_]L: zombie psychoanalyses Charbel 1: I'm waiting Tichure: literature resource Center should open to a search engine Tichure: true? Tichure: You'll notice there are three boxes Charbel 1: it's yellow advanced search Tichure: for the purposes of tonight's adventure, let's talk about a story that we've all read. Scott[_]L: is that symbolic of a nervous search? Charbel 1: Advanced serch with three boxes Tichure: Did we discuss everyday use? Tichure: have you read everyday use Charbel 1: no Scott[_]L: That's about the mother, two daughters, one of which moved to islam Tichure: yes Scott[_]L: quilts and butter churns and what not Tichure: Scott did you read Cathedral Scott[_]L: I read half of it. Then the car crashed. Shouldn't be reading while driving. Tichure: lesson learned Scott[_]L: I kid, I kid. But no, I read half of it. Tichure: close enough Tichure: hahah Tichure: let's do a search Tichure: you'll notice there are three boxes Scott[_]L: Thought tonight was going to go by more quickly, but time did and my progress didn't. Tichure: the top one has no specific, but underneath that you losers a box each for author by or about Scott[_]L: Alright Tichure: that underneath you will notice a box each Tichure: for author by or about Tichure: and title of work Tichure: put cathedral in title of work Tichure: and put Carver for author Tichure: and press go Tichure: and stand back and watch the magic Tichure: or use this opportunity to go get another refill from a soda machine Tichure: if you can leave your computer there without it getting stolen Scott[_]L: Haha. Scott[_]L: Had to buy a small soda just so they didn't bug me. Tichure: what you get Scott[_]L: Coca-Cola Tichure: refill that bad boy and get your money's worth Tichure: unless they don't have that option Scott[_]L: Oh for sure. By the time I'm done, i've had consumed 3 extra larges Tichure: actually when I was asking was‚Ķ what do you get from your search Tichure: hahaha Scott[_]L: haha Charbel 1: a page with many option to choose from Scott[_]L: 6 tabs Tichure: that's how you stretch a dollar my friend Scott[_]L: literature criticism, biographies, topi and work overviews, reviews and news primary sources and literary works and Multimedia Scott[_]L: I'd rather stretch a dollar than bounce a check Tichure: first tab is going to be Literaryanalysis. I want tyou to open up one of those articles. This article is the type of article that you yourself will be producing. It is a literary analysis of the story discussing an element like symbolism or irony or conflict or theme or any one of the above in mixture.\ Tichure: to open one of those app so you get a feel for what you're reading Tichure: essentially, the primary source is your story. It is the focus of your analysis. Tichure: These are secondary sources he Tichure: a secondary source is a resource that you use to evaluate the primary source Scott[_]L: Gotcha. Tichure: in this case, you are going to be using these analyses to examplify and support the analysis of symbolism, irony and conflict in the story that you've chosen Scott[_]L: Rosamond Rosenmeier wasn't messing around with their analysis Tichure: you will notice that these are reviewed scholarly works. These are not websites done by fans of the author nor are these opinionated pieces, but rather these are a drier objective analysis, pretty much in the vein of what I was looking for on your first paper and I'm certainly looking for on your final paper Tichure: let's bring aya into this Tichure: aya Tichure: join us in the library please Tichure: Scott, do you still have the URL Tichure: you can just paste for her Scott[_]L: http://www.citruscollege.edu/library/Pages/default.aspx Tichure: , Scott thank you Aya 1: Thank you Tichure: aya, go there now please Aya 1: ok Scott[_]L: Do you need the link for the "Jail"? Tichure: as I was telling these other two, you're going to be using secondary sources in addition to the story itself is part of your analysis on your final paper Tichure: these secondary sources are on these websites. You may not use any other source outside of ebscohost or Artemis. Tichure: let us know when you're there aya Tichure: yet, but I think for her it's like five o'clock in the morning Tichure: aya, what I need you to do is click on Artemis literature resource Center Aya 1: thank you Tichure: let us know when you're in Tichure: meanwhile the rest of us will enjoy a cocktail Tichure: and mingle Tichure: ( bossa nova jazz music playing softly in the background) Scott[_]L: Which reminds me of the BBC show "Fast and Loose" Scott[_]L: Ever seen? Tichure: I'm not familiar with that one Scott[_]L: New show by the creatores of whose line Scott[_]L: but with the ability to cuss Tichure: my cup of tea Scott[_]L: and twice per episode they put on swanky music and the panelists dance Tichure: hahaha Tichure: classy Tichure: aya Scott[_]L: and tell awkward things about themselves Tichure: have you found the website Tichure: I'm not sure I want true confessions from British people Tichure: ( actually, I really do brush my teeth) Scott[_]L: Oh I have a feeling that you'll enjoy it Tichure: hahahaha Scott[_]L: I didn't know they flossed with rope Tichure: I will check it out Tichure: it's important to have interesting spacing between each tooth Tichure: is Stonehenge approach Tichure: aya, are you in the Artemis literature resource Center Tichure: charbel, Scott, you will notice that one of the other elements‚Ķ one of the other tabs that I do want you to use is called BIOGRAPHIES Scott[_]L: Alright Charbel 1: ok Tichure: I need you to use at least one biography in your analysis because of the three stories that I've given you, all of them have some link either thematically or much more personally to the author Tichure: I do not want you to give me a paragraph of just biographical information Tichure: instead, I want you to tell me which biographical information on that author is relevant to the story Tichure: for two of the authors, it is quite personal. For the other author, it's more about that this is the stuff this author writes about. Tichure: This is similar to the biographical information that is applied in the discussion groups on blackboard. Tichure: The idea that if you understand who the author is, you might understand what they write about, either because they write about literally things that they've experienced, or they write about ideas that they want other people to understand and believe. Scott[_]L: Quick question Tichure: go ahead, Scott Charbel 1: in other word a character reflect back to him Scott[_]L: Can we use the Jailyard Book Study for our discussion paper Scott[_]L: Since mine's on Sonny's Blues regarding John Coltrane Tichure: yes charbel, sometimes that is correct Charbel 1: ok clear Scott[_]L: aka Artemis Reference Library) Tichure: you can use any authentically published work Scott\ Scott[_]L: Awesome. Tichure: because you're giving me information on John Coltrane Scott[_]L: So scribbles in the bathroom of jazz clubs does not work? Tichure: and explaining who he is etc. Tichure: sometimes it's actually quite valid, Scott, but unfortunately because I'm trying to show you what's expected in college courses in general, I do have to put some limitations on this‚Ķ otherwise I'll get random blurbs often somebody's facebook page Tichure: aya, are you with us Scott[_]L: haha Tichure: we're all here in the reference section waiting for you Tichure: I'm the guy with the hat Scott[_]L: oh facebook. How I'm so glad I abandoned thee when they changed their privacy policy Charbel 1: do you have it on? Tichure: metaphorically charbel, yes Tichure: hahahaha Scott[_]L: http://www.flickr.com/photos/speers/87875364/lightbox/ Charbel 1: nice Scott[_]L: like this? Scott[_]L: it is safe to look at Tichure: hahah now that's a party = Tichure: not using capital letters Aya 1: ok ll try Charbel 1: actually aya you don't need password it you loged in to citruscollege site with your personal password Tichure: never done that charbel but I did hear about it Tichure: and of course, for those reading at home, if you're on campus on a computer at citrus College, these do not need logins. Charbel 1: It worked for me right now Tichure: excellent Tichure: charbel, Scott, do you have any questions about what we've done so far Charbel 1: so far so good Tichure: you must have at least one biography‚Ķ no more than one of those actually‚Ķ as well as three other literary analyses from the literature analysis section Scott[_]L: Nope. I'm just perusing the national geographics over ehre Tichure: hahaha Scott[_]L: here* Tichure: well get out of the stacks‚Ķ I have another project for you Charbel 1: can we specify Symbolism in hour search Tichure: go back to your search engine Scott[_]L: alright Tichure: charbel, you read my mind Scott[_]L: See ya later maori tribesmen Tichure: this time in that top box put the word SYMBOL* Tichure: choosing the asterisk is going to give us every form of that word Tichure: and it can look for that word in the literary analyses Tichure: which means it's only getting the stuff that discusses symbolism, symbols, symbolize, symbolic Tichure: etc. Tichure: you're going to have to re-input the author and title in the appropriate places Tichure: does it change the number of responses that you get Tichure: in terms of literary analysis Scott[_]L: since the asterisk is used as a free variable, it'll pick up anything following the preceding text Scott[_]L: makes up for my being a smartass Scott[_]L: *snark button* Scott[_]L: *repeat* Scott[_]L: *repeat* Tichure: it is from a wide palette from which you paint Mr. Picasso Tichure: and many responses do you get when you narrow your search like that Scott[_]L: I got to lit criticism and 1 biography Scott[_]L: symbol* // Cathedral // Raymond Carver Tichure: 2? Scott[_]L: Yep. I'm going back to Advance Search to doublecheck my accuracy in typing Tichure: charbel? same? Tichure: no that's correct Tichure: 2 is what I got Charbel 1: I got The Masterpiece: Cathedral. Tichure: 2 Scott[_]L: While The children around me are about to receive the back of my hand Tichure: the reason you do this is because a lot of the stuff they even be finding is not relevant to this class Charbel 1: I got forteen option to choose from Tichure: when you taking which 103, you're going to be discussing literary analyses that involve critical perspectives‚Ķ feminist criticism, psychoanalytical criticism, Marxist criticism etc. Tichure: however, I'm not asking you to do that come analysis. Tichure: What we are doing here is formalist analysis which focuses on symbolism, irony, conflict, theme, setting etc. Tichure: and therefore were going to be doing is narrowing your search by limiting factors Tichure: and therefore we don't have to read through 35 articles when really we need three Tichure: in fact if you go back to your search engine Scott[_]L: Results for Advanced Search Keyword (symbol*) And Name of Work (Cathedral) And Person-By or About (Raymond Carver) Tichure: instead of symbol* Scott[_]L: 2 lit criticism Scott[_]L: 1 biography Tichure: put the word them* Tichure: that's what I got Scott Tichure: that is the way it is supposed to be Scott[_]L: oh okay Tichure: those are the two articles that used the word symbol or any root of that word in the essay Scott[_]L: i must've misinterpreted you Tichure: if you do the same thing with imag* Scott[_]L: thought i got something completely off Tichure: you will find older articles in which they use the term imagery instead of symbolism Tichure: I kept saying you are correct Tichure: but you said you had to literary criticisms Tichure: instead of telling me you had 2 literary criticisms Tichure: and I was trying to get you to clarify Tichure: it's almost like you're at a McDonald's or something Scott[_]L: Next time i'm going to starbucks Scott[_]L: haha Scott[_]L: Or I'll just use my smartphone as a USB network passthrough device Scott[_]L: but i don't want to bore you Charbel 1: I guess you'll be save at Starbucks Tichure: but I digress Tichure: do you see how Artemis Tichure: works Tichure: I need you to open one of the articles it does not matter which Tichure: let me know when you're ready Scott[_]L: okay Scott[_]L: I'm ready Tichure: in Artemis, you'll notice that at the top of the article there a section of information Tichure: for every article that you read for me, you need to gather the following bits of information Tichure: if you're going to use an essay in your essay, you have to be able to cite it and of course we know the citation is the author's last name and the page number Tichure: obviously when you're using more than one source, the reason for this becomes evident Scott[_]L: right Tichure: however, you are also going to provide for me a Works cited page Tichure: a works cited page is the last page of your paper. It does not count as a page but it is required nonetheless. Tichure: It is an alphabetical list of all the articles and essays and stories that you've used in your essay Scott[_]L: Do we use the Document URL as the source? Scott[_]L: or the full source above it? Tichure: http://www.englit.org/eiland_shared/workspage.htm Tichure: neither Tichure: oh, I get it Scott[_]L: Source Citation Henningfeld, Diane Andrews. "Cathedral." Short Stories for Students. Detroit: Artemis, 2002. Literature Resource Center. Web. 2 Nov. 2011. Document URL http://go.Artemisgroup.com/ps/i.do?&id=Artemis%7CH1420022873&v=2.1&u=glen55457&it=r&p=LitRC&sw=w Tichure: it is the source citation Tichure: do not use the URL Scott[_]L: okay Tichure: is the source citation Scott[_]L: I like this one. It's from Detroit. Like me. Tichure: needed off there, last name first. You need the title of the article or story. You need the original publication. You need the city. You need the publisher and you need the year Charbel 1: if you Scroll all the way down you'll see source citation Scott[_]L: And Kwame Kilpatrick Tichure: exactly Scott[_]L: And Dr. Kevorkian Tichure: they even had hanging indented for you Tichure: http://www.englit.org/eiland_shared/workspage.htm Tichure: on my website under ‚Äúpaper format and test instructions‚Äù you'll find an example of a Works cited page Tichure: you will see that it is using hanging indentation, which means the indentation is the opposite of normal indentation Tichure: reason for this, again, becomes obvious when you realize that in your paper, what you gave me was the last name or‚Ķ if there is no author, the title of the article. That is what sticks out on the work cited page Tichure: notice that they're going to be in alphabetical order regardless as to whether it is the primary source or a secondary source. Do not put the story first or last unless it goes there alphabetically Tichure: but don't forget to put the story in there Tichure: your story came from your book Tichure: which means when you open up your book, you will find the publication information you need Tichure: you need the title of your book Tichure: you need the editor of your book Tichure: you need a publisher of your book Scott[_]L: Seagull Reader Tichure: you need the year of your edition Scott[_]L: Gotcha Scott[_]L: Know what else i need? I quick breathing treatment. 5 minute tobacco break. Scott[_]L: I=A Scott[_]L: brb Tichure: Gilman, Charlotte Perkins. ‚ÄúThe yellow wallpaper.‚Äù the Seagull reader: stories. Edited by Kelly. New York: Norton College publisher: 2011 Tichure: hahahaha Tichure: enjoy Tichure: do you see how that works charbel Charbel 1: yes I'm following you Tichure: excellent Tichure: when you decide which story are going to do, you will then want to do the research the same way we did today Tichure: and Artemis literature resource Center is going to be one of your primary resources. Tichure: Anytime you do with searching Artemis, they're going to offer you material that they have the entire articles for. Tichure: That makes it a pretty helpful source Charbel 1: you mean secondary resources Tichure: also, as you can tell, they give you the works cited entry at the bottom of the page Tichure: yes Charbel 1: Yes I saw that Tichure: the other primary resource for English 101 is called ebscohost Tichure: go back out to the library Tichure: and go into Ebscohost Charbel 1: I'm in Tichure: you'll notice that you get a different first page Scott[_]L: I'm back and loading that up Tichure: we want to choose as many of these databases as are going to be useful. Scott[_]L: The children will live to see another day, unfortunately Charbel 1: There are many option to choose from, But I'll wait for Scott Tichure: If you are going to do research in which you are going to use your example some historical or sociological information‚Ķ for example to discuss ‚Äúwhat you pawn I Will redeem‚Äù you included some reference to alcoholism or homelessness in Native American populations, there is several of the database is included in ebscohopst that you would want to check Tichure: Scott, you had your chance. Tichure: I tell people to check Eric Scott[_]L: Yes. However I did not want to add felonious assault on a minor to tonight's itenerary Tichure: history reference Center Tichure: hahah Tichure: good choice Tichure: save jail for another time Scott[_]L: itinerary* Tichure: the McGill literature plus Tichure: newspaper source Tichure: and the religion Tichure: I also personally always choose the medical sites to Tichure: if you're doing something that involves drug use, Tichure: or psychological issues Tichure: the medical might be helpful Scott[_]L: or magical schoolbuses Tichure: Renv©e, would you like to join us on a field trip Tichure: hashahah Renee: sure :) Scott[_]L: hashahah, eh? Tichure: hahaha Tichure: shhhh Scott[_]L: hmmm the root of that laughter being? Tichure: ( no one noticed) Tichure: although everything is tinged with purple Tichure: Renv©, open a web browser Tichure: go to my website Tichure: at the bottom of the main page is a link to the library Renee: okay Tichure: when you get to the library up at the top will be library home link\ Tichure: let me know when you're there Tichure: charbel and Scott, go ahead and log in with those things checked Charbel 1: ok Charbel 1: http://www.citruscollege.edu/library/Pages/default.aspx Scott[_]L: i'm there Tichure: is going to end up with another search engine Tichure: here's the difference Tichure: ebscohost will tell you everything that exists Tichure: whether they have and are not Scott[_]L: haha Tichure: whether they have it or not Tichure: exactly Tichure: so Tichure: if you scroll down Tichure: one of your options is a full text Tichure: which means Scott[_]L: mmmm existential search engines? Tichure: it'll only give you something they actually have the article for Tichure: so make sure you choose fulltext Tichure: one great thing about this though is they offer you ebooks Renee: okay im almost there, my computer's a little slow right now Tichure: it's okay Scott[_]L: So just making sure. We're in ebscohost Tichure: yes Tichure: with green framing Tichure: blue at the top Scott[_]L: right Tichure: under LIMIT YOUR RESULTS Tichure: you can go back and add that in if you want Renee: okay i'm there Scott[_]L: I'm still not seeing that. it's giving me a bunch to put checks into Tichure: but under ‚Äúlimit your results‚Äù make sure you click on ‚Äúfulltext‚Äù Tichure: okay Scott Scott[_]L: http://web.ebscohost.com/ehost/selectdb?sid=bafa4599-3bb1-446d-9515-3280837a692c%40sessionmgr114&vid=1&hid=108 Tichure: the first page is going to be the thing that tells which databases you want from enscohost Tichure: we can't look at that page Tichure: because your login Tichure: doesn't work for us Tichure: follow me Scott[_]L: well aren't i awesome Tichure: the first thing you get when you log in to this database is that blue list of things like HealthWatch and etc. etc. Scott[_]L: right Tichure: that's where McGill literature online is going to be Tichure: at the bottom then you click continue Tichure: and then you actually have a search engine of sorts Tichure: but the first thing you want to do is limit your search responses so you don't get a lot of junk Tichure: then when you make an actual request for something, it can go through all of those databases and give you whatever it finds Tichure: it's not going to allow you to search in any of the databases individually Scott[_]L: I get that. I'm just not seeing McGill anywhere on that list Scott[_]L: goes academic search premier, alt healthwatch, business source premier, etc. Tichure: alphabetical order Tichure: magill Scott[_]L: I actually found it Tichure: whew Scott[_]L: after going to Advance search Tichure: another tragedy narrowly averted Scott[_]L: i can rechoose my databases Tichure: yes Scott[_]L: damn coke's got me all twitchy Scott[_]L: haha Tichure: hahaha Tichure: it's ironic mister high desert Scott[_]L: please don't call me that. It makes baby Jesus cry. Scott[_]L: haha Tichure: hahaha Tichure: Renv©, how's it going Tichure: charbel, are you still with us Charbel 1: yes Renee: im kinda lost but i think i might have found it Tichure: Renv©, tell me what you see Scott[_]L: It's quite a robust database search engine. Tichure: it's important that were altogether so that when I show you the really important stuff we are all doing it Tichure: is, Scott, and that's where the power is. The problem is that there's a lot of junk and so that's why it has those limiters Tichure: it's good to use them so you don't have to slog through 165 resources when you need five Scott[_]L: Knowledge is power. Scott[_]L: useless knowledge is what nightmares of jeopardy are made from Renee: well i clicked all sorts of stuff and was eventually able to search Mcgill Tichure: well Renv©e, Renee: I'll in some sort of search engine Tichure: I don't want you to search Magill.... Tichure: that was Scott Charbel 1: I clicked continue and now I'm @ MasterFILE Premier, Show allHistory Reference Center Show Less Choose Databases ¬ª .EBSCOhost Search Tichure: the search engine is for all kinds of stuff Tichure: folks, Tichure: now were going to do Tichure: a search Tichure: make sure that under Tichure: limit your results Tichure: you have checked all text Tichure: also Tichure: you'll notice it at the top they do not preload any categories Tichure: which means you must choose categories Tichure: let's do cathedral again Tichure: cathedral is the title Tichure: which means you'll then do the click down menu to the right and choose Tichure: title Tichure: Raymond Carver is the author Tichure: if you want to choose a term like symbol*or them*‚Ķ theme, thematic, themes etc. you have to choose ‚Äúall text‚Äù Tichure: give it a shot and see what you get Charbel 1: I see Cathedral Tichure: here is the problem will Tichure: here is the problem Tichure: with Ebscohost Tichure: if you put AUTHOR Tichure: it's looking for work written by that person Tichure: which means you actually want to put ‚Äúall text‚Äù after Raymond Carver rather than AUTHOR Tichure: likewise when it says TITLE Tichure: it's looking for the words you gave it in the title of the article Tichure: so Tichure: if you chose Raymond Carver AUTHOR Tichure: and cathedral TITLE Tichure: you will probably end up with the book Scott[_]L: Gotcha Tichure: if you make both of those ‚Äúall text‚Äù Tichure: see how many more responses you get Tichure: when I did Raymond Carver TITLE and cathedral TITLE I got one response Scott[_]L: 5725 Tichure: when I did Raymond Carver ALL TEXT and cathedral ALL TEXT Scott[_]L: let's sift!! Tichure: exactly Charbel 1: still waiting Scott[_]L: use the intertubes, Luke Tichure: I only got to 38 Tichure: 238 Tichure: but I only choose all text responses Scott[_]L: you would Tichure: in other words, everything I got is an actual article Tichure: I think what you did Tichure: is you got everything that's ever been written about Raymond Carver and this particular story Tichure: hahahaha Scott[_]L: I was just testing the all text for Cathedral, Raymond Carver, Symb* Tichure: while Tichure: I know why Tichure: because it found every article for Cathedral Tichure: and Tichure: every article for Raymond Carver Tichure: and Tichure: every article on symbolism Tichure: regardless Scott[_]L: glutton Tichure: in be a literature resource Center, adding symbolism narrows the search Scott[_]L: gotcha Tichure: although when I get back, Scott, I've narrowed it down to 96 Scott[_]L: So in Ebscohost, when we put in Author in the drop down, it'll be looking for articles written specifically by that author Tichure: I am now wondering what you put down Tichure: I put all text for all three Tichure: yes Scott Tichure: what were you three parameters that you got thousands of responses Scott[_]L: Oh I was messing around with the different databases too. Please don't mind me. I'm refining my searches Tichure: hahahah Scott[_]L: I've got 99 now Scott[_]L: with a handful of databases Tichure: whew Tichure: okay Scott[_]L: How else will I know how sharp this search engine's blade is if i don't try to use it? Tichure: in Ebscohost, adding the word symbol also narrowed the search Tichure: be careful you don't hack something off Tichure: Renv©e, how's it coming along Tichure: charbel, any luck Scott[_]L: haha just throw an embolism due to article overload Charbel 1: no Renee: i was lost for a while but im good now Tichure: charbel, what's the problem Tichure: Renv©e, did you get it to work Renee: yes, im seeing a lot of what scott was seeing Charbel 1: I did not get any just forze screen Tichure: also, Renv©, you're going to want to read the chat archive because we went through Artemisliterature resource Center earlier, which would be very helpful for this final paper Tichure: then reload it, charbel Tichure: I wonder if it has anything to do with you going through the proxy like you did Renee: okay i'll read the archive tonight Tichure: folks, I don't want to inundate you with information Tichure: but here's the deal Tichure: you need to read three stories Tichure: or least read one of them and decide that's what you do Tichure: you need one biographical source Tichure: and then you need to decide what biographical information is actually relevant to the story. Tichure: It's likely going to be either symbolic of a character or perhaps motivation for plot Tichure: secondly, you need at least three‚Äìfive literary analyses Tichure: one of those analyses may be a resource that discusses the context of the story Scott[_]L: Symbolism, conflict, irony? Tichure: heroin abuse Tichure: racism Tichure: sexism Tichure: the role of women in a pre- suffrage society Tichure: postpartum depression Tichure: as well as the obvious elements of symbolism, conflict, irony and setting Scott[_]L: okay Renee: okay Tichure: your articles are going to tell you symbols and ironies that you may or may not have seen Tichure: the idea is that you're going to be writing paragraphs in which you're showing me symbolic ironies, ironic conflicts, symbolic conflicts etc. Tichure: but also showing me the context of the story in terms of what a character is going through, how the story is somehow relevant to the author etc. Tichure: I do not want you to get lost in editorial Tichure: but you are giving me a theme that holds everything together Tichure: is everybody clear Renee: yes :) Charbel 1: yes Tichure: I expect there will it shows in their story if not by next week, then by the following week. We can discuss the stories anytime you want Tichure: but you have to do your part by by having read the story Scott[_]L: clear Tichure: I want you to read cathedral for next week. It is the makeup test material Tichure: but it is also an excellent story that is pretty indicative of the feel of a final exam Tichure: so even if you did not do the makeup test, you'll want to discuss this story Scott[_]L: roger roger Tichure: it is also going to be good material for symbolism, irony and conflict. Tichure: And stop calling me Shirley Tichure: any questions Renee: hahaha Scott[_]L: what's your vector, victor? Renee: no questions Charbel 1: clear Tichure: hahahah Tichure: don't eat the fish Tichure: have a great weekend everybody Scott[_]L: A hospital? What is it? Tichure: I'm going to post the deadline for Tichure: it's a large building with patients and doctors, but that's not important right now Scott[_]L: haha Tichure: I'm going to post the deadlines for responses as November 16 Renee: you too :) Tichure: so get them done Charbel 1: you Too Tichure: if you're going to get them done Scott[_]L: haha Tichure: stay in touch everybody. Renee: i'll be looking out for the dealines Scott[_]L: and if i decide to change gender? Tichure: buhbye Renee: oksy, will do Tichure: hahahah Renee: bye Tichure: Good luck with that scott Tichure: by Renv©e Charbel 1: you'll be scotty Charbel 1: bye Tichure: bye charbel Tichure: poof