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Tichure: 101


Tichure: hey now


Charbel 1: Hi Professor


Charbel 1: I just back from work




Tichure: first I want to ask a couple questions about the final paper


Tichure: you understand what I'm asking you to do?


Tichure: on the final paper


Charbel 1: kind of


Tichure: okay


Tichure: have you chosen one of the stories yet


Charbel 1: not yet


Charbel 1: I still have to response to do


Charbel 1: two


Scott[_]L: I am here.


Tichure: responses are less important right now


Tichure: hey now, Scott


Scott[_]L: gotcha. won't respond.


Scott[_]L: see ya


Tichure: hahah


Scott[_]L: haha


Charbel 1: Hi Scott


Scott[_]L: Hi Charbel


Tichure: charbel,   have you chosen one of the stories you for your final paper


Charbel 1: not yet


Tichure: Scott,  Have you chosen anything for your final paper?


Scott[_]L: Sorry, I'm not at my home office. Using mcdonalds wifi right now haha.


Scott[_]L: just have my book on me


Scott[_]L: Was going to do Sonny's Blues


Tichure: okay


Tichure: you've read the story Sonny's blues


Scott[_]L: I have in the past, actually.


Tichure: ok


Tichure: let me organize my information here


Scott[_]L: I'll have to reread it to let it refresh my memory


Scott[_]L: Please do. I'm dealing with my own lack of organization right now haha.


Tichure: hahhaah


Tichure: I completely understand



Tichure: some information on the final paper


Tichure: what I expect to happen between now and before December is an opportunity to discuss your paper in what you're writing on it in some real way, which means you need to choose your topic and then begin the writing and analysis process


Tichure: as part of that, we need to establish that you understand where to find resources


Tichure: and I was going to do that today because a couple of you can in no way get to the library in any reasonable fashion


Scott[_]L: And I greatly appreciate that.


Tichure: shall we go on a field trip together


Scott[_]L: I did access that information you sent a while back, the databases and what not


Charbel 1: let's go


Scott[_]L: Magic Schoolbus?


Scott[_]L: Are you going in drag as Ms Frizzle?


Tichure: i want to show you some specific things that you'll use


Scott[_]L: Awesome.


Tichure: well it's a bus, in its magic, but probably not the one you're thinking of


Scott[_]L: I think a tie dyed VW minibus is magical in every way possible


Tichure: this one has a >furthur< sign on it


Tichure: hahaha


Charbel 1: but he'll enjoy the ride


Tichure: open a browser. Tell me when you're ready


Scott[_]L: it's all about the trip, Charbel


Tichure: always charbel


Scott[_]L: I'm ready.


Charbel 1: me too


Tichure: go to my website.... at the bottom of the main page for the class, there will be a link to the library


Tichure: the page are going to get exactly search engine. I want you to do is go up to the top of that page and click on the blue links that take you to library home. It'll know you're at library home because there'll be an actual picture of the library including a bunch of links underneath it that we're going to use tonight.


Scott[_]L: gotcha. links to lib.citruscollege.edu


Scott[_]L: gotcha


Scott[_]L: www.citruscollege.edu/library/pages/default.aspx


Scott[_]L: (For our lovely readers at home)


Tichure: hahaha


Tichure: Thank you


Tichure: when you go to the library, you need to vreate a virtual library card using your Wingspan ID and your password.  you're going to need that now

Charbel 1: got it


Scott[_]L: It's alright. I'm logged in.

Charbel 1: would be better


Scott[_]L: And again, I apologize for being a little scattered tonight. Not in my usual atmosphere for studying. aka at home with a lovely glass of crown


Tichure: I. understand


Tichure: Artemis


Scott[_]L: haha


Tichure: He


Scott[_]L: is that for the school of hard knocks?


Tichure: Freudian slip


Tichure: hahaha


Scott[_]L: And I'm sure Freud would have a lot to say about that, too


Charbel 1: I'm inside the jail


Tichure: Yeah, except he's dead


Tichure: we will set you free charbel


Scott[_]L: zombie psychoanalyses


Charbel 1: I'm waiting


Tichure: literature resource Center should open to a search engine


Tichure: true?


Tichure: You'll notice there are three boxes


Charbel 1: it's yellow advanced search


Tichure: for the purposes of tonight's adventure, let's talk about a story that we've all read.


Scott[_]L: is that symbolic of a nervous search?


Charbel 1: Advanced serch with three boxes


Tichure: Did we discuss everyday use?


Tichure: have you read everyday use


Charbel 1: no


Scott[_]L: That's about the mother, two daughters, one of which moved to islam


Tichure: yes


Scott[_]L: quilts and butter churns and what not


Tichure: Scott did you read Cathedral


Scott[_]L: I read half of it. Then the car crashed. Shouldn't be reading while driving.


Tichure: lesson learned


Scott[_]L: I kid, I kid. But no, I read half of it.


Tichure: close enough


Tichure: hahah


Tichure: let's do a search


Tichure: you'll notice there are three boxes


Scott[_]L: Thought tonight was going to go by more quickly, but time did and my progress didn't.


Tichure: the top one has no specific, but underneath that you losers a box each for author by or about


Scott[_]L: Alright


Tichure: that underneath you will notice a box each


Tichure: for author by or about


Tichure: and title of work


Tichure: put cathedral in title of work


Tichure: and put Carver for author


Tichure: and press go


Tichure: and stand back and watch the magic


Tichure: or use this opportunity to go get another refill from a soda machine


Tichure: if you can leave your computer there without it getting stolen


Scott[_]L: Haha.


Scott[_]L: Had to buy a small soda just so they didn't bug me.


Tichure: what you get


Scott[_]L: Coca-Cola


Tichure: refill that bad boy and get your money's worth


Tichure: unless they don't have that option


Scott[_]L: Oh for sure. By the time I'm done, i've had consumed 3 extra larges


Tichure: actually when I was asking was… what do you get from your search


Tichure: hahaha


Scott[_]L: haha


Charbel 1: a page with many option to choose from


Scott[_]L: 6 tabs


Tichure: that's how you stretch a dollar  my friend


Scott[_]L: literature criticism, biographies, topi and work overviews, reviews and news primary sources and literary works and Multimedia


Scott[_]L: I'd rather stretch a dollar than bounce a check


Tichure: first tab is going to be  Literaryanalysis. I want tyou to open up one of those articles. This article is the type of article that you yourself will be producing. It is a literary analysis of the story discussing an element like symbolism or irony or conflict or theme or any one of the above in mixture.\


Tichure: to open one of those app so you get a feel for what you're reading


Tichure: essentially, the primary source is your story. It is the focus of your analysis.


Tichure: These are secondary sources he


Tichure: a secondary source is a resource that you use to evaluate the primary source


Scott[_]L: Gotcha.


Tichure: in this case, you are going to be using these analyses to  examplify and support the analysis of symbolism, irony and conflict in the story that you've chosen


Scott[_]L: Rosamond Rosenmeier wasn't messing around with their analysis


Tichure: you will notice that these are reviewed scholarly works. These are not websites done by fans of the author nor are these opinionated pieces, but rather these are a drier objective analysis, pretty much in the vein of what I was looking for on your first paper and I'm certainly looking for on your final paper


Tichure: let's bring aya  into this


Tichure: aya


Tichure: join us in the library please


Tichure: Scott, do you still have the URL


Tichure: you can just paste for her


Scott[_]L: http://www.citruscollege.edu/library/Pages/default.aspx


Tichure: , Scott  thank you


Aya 1: Thank you


Tichure: aya, go there now please


Aya 1: ok


Scott[_]L: Do you need the link for the "Jail"?


Tichure: as I was telling these other two, you're going to be using secondary sources in addition to the story itself is part of your analysis on your  final paper


Tichure: these secondary sources are on these websites. You may not use any other source outside of ebscohost or Artemis.


Tichure: let us know when you're there aya


Tichure: yet, but I think for her it's like five o'clock in the morning


Tichure: aya,  what I need you to do is click on  Artemis literature resource Center

Aya 1: thank you


Tichure: let us know when you're in


Tichure: meanwhile the rest of us will enjoy a cocktail


Tichure: and mingle


Tichure: (  bossa nova jazz music playing softly in the background)


Scott[_]L: Which reminds me of the BBC show "Fast and Loose"


Scott[_]L: Ever seen?


Tichure: I'm not familiar with  that one


Scott[_]L: New show by the creatores of whose line


Scott[_]L: but with the ability to cuss


Tichure: my cup of tea


Scott[_]L: and twice per episode they put on swanky music and the panelists dance


Tichure: hahaha


Tichure: classy


Tichure: aya


Scott[_]L: and tell awkward things about themselves


Tichure: have you found the website


Tichure: I'm not sure I want true confessions from British people


Tichure: ( actually, I really do brush my teeth)


Scott[_]L: Oh I have a feeling that you'll enjoy it


Tichure: hahahaha


Scott[_]L: I didn't know they flossed with rope


Tichure: I will check it out


Tichure: it's important to have interesting spacing between each tooth


Tichure: is Stonehenge approach


Tichure: aya, are you in the Artemis literature resource Center


Tichure: charbel,  Scott, you will notice that one of the other elements… one of the other tabs that I do want you to use is called BIOGRAPHIES


Scott[_]L: Alright


Charbel 1: ok


Tichure: I need you to use at least one biography in your analysis because of the three stories that I've given you, all of them have some link either thematically or much more personally to the author


Tichure: I do not want you to give me a paragraph of just biographical information


Tichure: instead, I want you to tell me which biographical information on that author is relevant to the story


Tichure: for two of the authors, it is quite personal. For the other author, it's more about that this is the stuff this author writes about.


Tichure: This is similar to the biographical information that is applied in the discussion groups on blackboard.


Tichure: The idea that if you understand who the author is, you might understand what they write about, either because they write about literally things that they've experienced, or they write about ideas that they want other people to understand and believe.


Scott[_]L: Quick question


Tichure: go ahead, Scott


Charbel 1: in other word a character reflect back to him


Scott[_]L: Can we use the Jailyard Book Study for our discussion paper


Scott[_]L: Since mine's on Sonny's Blues regarding John Coltrane


Tichure: yes charbel,  sometimes that is correct


Charbel 1: ok clear


Scott[_]L: aka Artemis Reference Library)


Tichure: you can use any authentically published work Scott\


Scott[_]L: Awesome.


Tichure: because you're giving me information on John Coltrane


Scott[_]L: So scribbles in the bathroom of jazz clubs does not work?


Tichure: and explaining who he is etc.


Tichure: sometimes it's actually quite valid, Scott, but unfortunately because I'm trying to show you what's expected in college courses in general, I do have to put some limitations on this… otherwise I'll get random blurbs often  somebody's facebook page


Tichure: aya,  are you with us


Scott[_]L: haha


Tichure: we're all here in the reference section waiting for you


Tichure: I'm the guy with the hat


Scott[_]L: oh facebook. How I'm so glad I abandoned thee when they changed their privacy policy


Charbel 1: do you have it on?


Tichure: metaphorically charbel, yes


Tichure: hahahaha


Scott[_]L: http://www.flickr.com/photos/speers/87875364/lightbox/


Charbel 1: nice


Scott[_]L: like this?


Scott[_]L: it is safe to look at


Tichure: hahah now that's a party
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Tichure: not using capital letters


Aya 1: ok ll try


Charbel 1: actually aya you don't need password it you loged in to citruscollege site with your personal password


Tichure: never done that charbel  but I did hear about it


Tichure: and of course, for those reading at home, if you're on campus on a computer at citrus College, these do not need logins.


Charbel 1: It worked for me right now


Tichure: excellent


Tichure: charbel,  Scott,  do you have any questions about what we've done so far


Charbel 1: so far so good


Tichure: you must have at least one biography… no more than one of those actually… as well as  three other literary analyses from the literature analysis section


Scott[_]L: Nope. I'm just perusing the national geographics over ehre


Tichure: hahaha


Scott[_]L: here*


Tichure: well get out of the stacks… I have another project for you


Charbel 1: can we specify Symbolism in hour search


Tichure: go back to your search engine


Scott[_]L: alright


Tichure: charbel,  you read my mind


Scott[_]L: See ya later maori tribesmen


Tichure: this time in that top box put the word SYMBOL*


Tichure: choosing the asterisk is going to give us every form of that word


Tichure: and it can look for that word in the literary analyses


Tichure: which means it's only getting the stuff that discusses symbolism, symbols, symbolize, symbolic


Tichure: etc.


Tichure: you're going to have to re-input the author and title in the appropriate places


Tichure: does it change the number of responses that you get


Tichure: in terms of literary analysis


Scott[_]L: since the asterisk is used as a free variable, it'll pick up anything following the preceding text


Scott[_]L: makes up for my being a smartass


Scott[_]L: *snark button*


Scott[_]L: *repeat*


Scott[_]L: *repeat*


Tichure: it is from a wide palette from which you paint Mr. Picasso


Tichure: and many responses do you get when you narrow your search like that


Scott[_]L: I got to lit criticism and 1 biography


Scott[_]L: symbol* // Cathedral // Raymond Carver


Tichure: 2?


Scott[_]L: Yep. I'm going back to Advance Search to doublecheck my accuracy in typing


Tichure: charbel? same?


Tichure: no that's correct


Tichure: 2 is what I got


Charbel 1: I got The Masterpiece: Cathedral.


Tichure: 2


Scott[_]L: While The children around me are about to receive the back of my hand


Tichure: the reason you do this is because a lot of the stuff they even be finding is not relevant to this class


Charbel 1: I got forteen option to choose from


Tichure: when you taking which 103, you're going to be discussing literary analyses that involve critical perspectives… feminist criticism, psychoanalytical criticism, Marxist criticism etc.


Tichure: however, I'm not asking you to do that come analysis.


Tichure: What we are doing here is formalist analysis which focuses on symbolism, irony, conflict, theme, setting etc.


Tichure: and therefore were going to be doing is narrowing your search by limiting factors


Tichure: and therefore we don't have to read through 35 articles when really we need three


Tichure: in fact if you go back to your search engine


Scott[_]L: Results for Advanced Search Keyword (symbol*) And Name of Work (Cathedral) And Person-By or About (Raymond Carver)


Tichure: instead of symbol*


Scott[_]L: 2 lit criticism


Scott[_]L: 1 biography


Tichure: put the word them*


Tichure: that's what I got Scott


Tichure: that is the way it is supposed to be


Scott[_]L: oh okay


Tichure: those are the two articles that used the word symbol or any root of that word in the essay


Scott[_]L: i must've misinterpreted you


Tichure: if you do the same thing with imag*


Scott[_]L: thought i got something completely off


Tichure: you will find older articles in which they use the term imagery instead of symbolism


Tichure: I kept saying you are correct


Tichure: but you said you had to literary criticisms


Tichure: instead of telling me you had 2 literary criticisms


Tichure: and I was trying to get you to clarify


Tichure: it's almost like you're at a McDonald's or something


Scott[_]L: Next time i'm going to starbucks


Scott[_]L: haha


Scott[_]L: Or I'll just use my smartphone as a USB network passthrough device


Scott[_]L: but i don't want to bore you


Charbel 1: I guess you'll be save at Starbucks


Tichure: but I digress


Tichure: do you see how  Artemis


Tichure: works


Tichure: I need you to open one of the articles it does not matter which


Tichure: let me know when you're ready


Scott[_]L: okay


Scott[_]L: I'm ready


Tichure: in Artemis, you'll notice that at the top of the article there a section of information


Tichure: for every article that you  read for me, you need to gather the following bits of information


Tichure: if you're going to use an essay in your essay, you have to be able to cite it and of course we know the citation is the author's last name and the page number


Tichure: obviously when you're using more than one source, the reason for this becomes evident


Scott[_]L: right


Tichure: however, you are also going to provide for me a Works cited page


Tichure: a works cited page is the last page of your paper. It does not count as a page but it is required nonetheless.


Tichure: It is an alphabetical list of all the articles and essays and stories that you've used in your essay


Scott[_]L: Do we use the Document URL as the source?


Scott[_]L: or the full source above it?


Tichure: http://www.englit.org/eiland_shared/workspage.htm


Tichure: neither


Tichure: oh, I get it


Scott[_]L: Source Citation
Henningfeld, Diane Andrews. "Cathedral." Short Stories for Students. Detroit: Artemis, 2002. Literature Resource Center. Web. 2 Nov. 2011.
Document URL
http://go.Artemisgroup.com/ps/i.do?&id=Artemis%7CH1420022873&v=2.1&u=glen55457&it=r&p=LitRC&sw=w


Tichure: it is the source citation


Tichure: do not use the URL


Scott[_]L: okay


Tichure: is the source citation


Scott[_]L: I like this one. It's from Detroit. Like me.


Tichure: needed off there, last name first. You need the title of the article or story. You need the original publication. You need the city. You need the publisher and you need the year


Charbel 1: if you Scroll all the way down you'll see  source citation


Scott[_]L: And Kwame Kilpatrick


Tichure: exactly


Scott[_]L: And Dr. Kevorkian


Tichure: they even had hanging indented for you


Tichure: http://www.englit.org/eiland_shared/workspage.htm


Tichure: on my website under “paper format and test instructions” you'll find an example of a Works cited page


Tichure: you will see that it is using hanging indentation, which means the indentation is the opposite of normal indentation


Tichure: reason for this, again, becomes obvious when you realize that in your paper, what you gave me was the last name or… if there is no author, the title of the article. That is what sticks out on the work cited page


Tichure: notice that they're going to be in alphabetical order regardless as to whether it is the primary source or a secondary source. Do not put the story first or last unless it goes there alphabetically


Tichure: but don't forget to put the story in there


Tichure: your story came from your book


Tichure: which means when you open up your book, you will find the publication information you need


Tichure: you need the title of your book


Tichure: you need the editor of your book


Tichure: you need a publisher of your book


Scott[_]L: Seagull Reader


Tichure: you need the year of your  edition


Scott[_]L: Gotcha


Scott[_]L: Know what else i need? I quick breathing treatment. 5 minute tobacco break.


Scott[_]L: I=A


Scott[_]L: brb


Tichure: Gilman, Charlotte Perkins. “The yellow wallpaper.” the Seagull reader: stories. Edited by Kelly. New York: Norton College publisher: 2011


Tichure: hahahaha


Tichure: enjoy


Tichure: do you see how that works charbel


Charbel 1: yes I'm following you


Tichure: excellent


Tichure: when you decide which story are going to do, you will then want to do the research the same way we did today


Tichure: and Artemis literature resource Center is going to be one of your primary resources.


Tichure: Anytime you do with searching Artemis, they're going to offer you material that they have the entire articles for.


Tichure: That makes it a pretty helpful source


Charbel 1: you mean secondary resources


Tichure: also, as you can tell, they give you the works cited entry at the bottom of the page


Tichure: yes


Charbel 1: Yes I saw that


Tichure: the other primary resource for English 101 is called ebscohost


Tichure: go back out to the library


Tichure: and go into Ebscohost


Charbel 1: I'm in


Tichure: you'll notice that you get a different first page


Scott[_]L: I'm back and loading that up


Tichure: we want to choose as many of these databases as are going to be useful.


Scott[_]L: The children will live to see another day, unfortunately


Charbel 1: There are many option to choose from, But I'll wait for Scott


Tichure: If you are going to do research in which you are going to use your example some historical or sociological information… for example to discuss “what you pawn I Will redeem” you included some reference to alcoholism or homelessness in Native American populations, there is several of the database is included in ebscohopst  that you would want to check


Tichure: Scott, you had your chance.


Tichure: I tell people to check Eric


Scott[_]L: Yes. However I did not want to add felonious assault on a minor to tonight's itenerary


Tichure: history reference Center


Tichure: hahah


Tichure: good choice


Tichure: save jail for another time


Scott[_]L: itinerary*


Tichure: the McGill literature plus


Tichure: newspaper source


Tichure: and the religion


Tichure: I also personally always choose the medical sites to


Tichure: if you're doing something that involves drug use,


Tichure: or psychological issues


Tichure: the medical might be helpful


Scott[_]L: or magical schoolbuses


Tichure: Renv©e, would you like to join us on a field trip


Tichure: hashahah


Renee: sure :)


Scott[_]L: hashahah, eh?


Tichure: hahaha


Tichure: shhhh


Scott[_]L: hmmm the root of that laughter being?


Tichure: ( no one noticed)


Tichure: although everything is tinged with purple


Tichure: Renv©, open a web browser


Tichure: go to my website


Tichure: at the bottom of the main page is a link to the library


Renee: okay


Tichure: when you get to the library up at the top will be library home link\


Tichure: let me know when you're there


Tichure: charbel  and Scott, go ahead and log in with those things checked


Charbel 1: ok


Charbel 1: http://www.citruscollege.edu/library/Pages/default.aspx


Scott[_]L: i'm there


Tichure: is going to end up with another search engine


Tichure: here's the difference


Tichure: ebscohost  will tell you everything that exists


Tichure: whether they have and are not


Scott[_]L: haha


Tichure: whether they have it or not


Tichure: exactly


Tichure: so


Tichure: if you scroll down


Tichure: one of your options is a full text


Tichure: which means


Scott[_]L: mmmm existential search engines?


Tichure: it'll only give you something they actually have the article for


Tichure: so make sure you choose fulltext


Tichure: one great thing about this though is they offer you ebooks


Renee: okay im almost there, my computer's a little slow right now


Tichure: it's okay


Scott[_]L: So just making sure. We're in ebscohost


Tichure: yes


Tichure: with green framing


Tichure: blue at the top


Scott[_]L: right


Tichure: under LIMIT YOUR RESULTS


Tichure: you can go back and add that in if you want


Renee: okay i'm there


Scott[_]L: I'm still not seeing that. it's giving me a bunch to put checks into


Tichure: but under “limit your results” make sure you click on “fulltext”


Tichure: okay Scott


Scott[_]L: http://web.ebscohost.com/ehost/selectdb?sid=bafa4599-3bb1-446d-9515-3280837a692c%40sessionmgr114&vid=1&hid=108


Tichure: the first page is going to be the thing that tells which databases you want from enscohost


Tichure: we can't look at that page


Tichure: because your login


Tichure: doesn't work for us


Tichure: follow me


Scott[_]L: well aren't i awesome


Tichure: the first thing you get when you log in to this database is that blue list of things like HealthWatch and etc. etc.


Scott[_]L: right


Tichure: that's where McGill literature online is going to be


Tichure: at the bottom then you click continue


Tichure: and then you actually have a search engine of sorts


Tichure: but the first thing you want to do is limit your search responses so you don't get a lot of junk


Tichure: then when you make an actual request for something, it can go through all of those databases and give you whatever it finds


Tichure: it's not  going to allow you to search in any of the databases individually


Scott[_]L: I get that. I'm just not seeing McGill anywhere on that list


Scott[_]L: goes academic search premier, alt healthwatch, business source premier, etc.


Tichure: alphabetical order


Tichure: magill


Scott[_]L: I actually found it


Tichure: whew


Scott[_]L: after going to Advance search


Tichure: another tragedy narrowly averted


Scott[_]L: i can rechoose my databases


Tichure: yes


Scott[_]L: damn coke's got me all twitchy


Scott[_]L: haha


Tichure: hahaha


Tichure: it's ironic mister high desert


Scott[_]L: please don't call me that. It makes baby Jesus cry.


Scott[_]L: haha


Tichure: hahaha


Tichure: Renv©, how's it going


Tichure: charbel,  are you still with us


Charbel 1: yes


Renee: im kinda lost but i think i might have found it


Tichure: Renv©, tell me what you see


Scott[_]L: It's quite a robust database search engine.


Tichure: it's important that were altogether so that when I show you the really important stuff  we are all doing it


Tichure: is, Scott, and that's where the power is. The problem is that there's a lot of junk and so that's why it has those limiters


Tichure: it's good to use them so you don't have to slog through 165 resources when you need five


Scott[_]L: Knowledge is power.


Scott[_]L: useless knowledge is what nightmares of jeopardy are made from


Renee: well i clicked all sorts of stuff and was eventually able to search Mcgill


Tichure: well Renv©e,


Renee: I'll in some sort of search engine


Tichure: I don't want you to search Magill....


Tichure: that was Scott


Charbel 1: I clicked continue and now I'm @ MasterFILE Premier, Show allHistory Reference Center Show Less Choose Databases » 
.EBSCOhost Search


Tichure: the search engine is for all kinds of stuff


Tichure: folks,


Tichure: now were going to do


Tichure: a search


Tichure: make sure that under


Tichure: limit your results


Tichure: you have checked all text


Tichure: also


Tichure: you'll notice it at the top they do not preload any categories


Tichure: which means you must choose categories


Tichure: let's do cathedral again


Tichure: cathedral is the title


Tichure: which means you'll then do the click down menu to the right and choose


Tichure: title


Tichure: Raymond Carver is the author


Tichure: if you want to choose a term like symbol*or them*… theme, thematic, themes etc. you have to choose  “all text”


Tichure: give it a shot and see what you get


Charbel 1: I see Cathedral


Tichure: here is the problem will


Tichure: here is the problem


Tichure: with Ebscohost


Tichure: if you put  AUTHOR


Tichure: it's looking for work written by that person


Tichure: which means you actually want to put “all text” after Raymond Carver rather than AUTHOR


Tichure: likewise when it says TITLE


Tichure: it's looking for the words you gave it in the title of the article


Tichure: so


Tichure: if you chose Raymond Carver AUTHOR


Tichure: and cathedral TITLE


Tichure: you will probably end up with the book


Scott[_]L: Gotcha


Tichure: if you make both of those “all text”


Tichure: see how many more responses you get


Tichure: when I did Raymond Carver TITLE and cathedral TITLE I got one response


Scott[_]L: 5725


Tichure: when I did Raymond Carver  ALL TEXT and cathedral ALL TEXT


Scott[_]L: let's sift!!


Tichure: exactly


Charbel 1: still waiting


Scott[_]L: use the intertubes, Luke


Tichure: I only got  to 38


Tichure: 238


Tichure: but I only choose all text responses


Scott[_]L: you would


Tichure: in other words, everything I got is an actual article


Tichure: I think what you did


Tichure: is you got everything that's ever been written about Raymond Carver and this particular story


Tichure: hahahaha


Scott[_]L: I was just testing the all text for Cathedral, Raymond Carver, Symb*


Tichure: while


Tichure: I know why


Tichure: because it found every article for Cathedral


Tichure: and


Tichure: every article for Raymond Carver


Tichure: and


Tichure: every article on symbolism


Tichure: regardless


Scott[_]L: glutton


Tichure: in  be a literature resource Center, adding symbolism narrows the search


Scott[_]L: gotcha


Tichure: although when I get back, Scott, I've narrowed it down to 96


Scott[_]L: So in Ebscohost, when we put in Author in the drop down, it'll be looking for articles written specifically by that author


Tichure: I am now wondering what you put down


Tichure: I put all text for all three


Tichure: yes Scott


Tichure: what  were you three parameters that you got thousands of responses


Scott[_]L: Oh I was messing around with the different databases too. Please don't mind me. I'm refining my searches


Tichure: hahahah


Scott[_]L: I've got 99 now


Scott[_]L: with a handful of databases


Tichure: whew


Tichure: okay


Scott[_]L: How else will I know how sharp this search engine's blade is if i don't try to use it?


Tichure: in Ebscohost, adding the word symbol also narrowed the search


Tichure: be careful you don't hack something off


Tichure: Renv©e, how's it coming along


Tichure: charbel,  any luck


Scott[_]L: haha just throw an embolism due to article overload


Charbel 1: no


Renee: i was lost for a while but im good now


Tichure: charbel, what's the problem


Tichure: Renv©e, did you get it to work


Renee: yes, im seeing a lot of what scott was seeing


Charbel 1: I did not get any just forze screen


Tichure: also, Renv©, you're going to want to read the chat archive because we went through Artemisliterature resource Center earlier, which would be very helpful for this final paper


Tichure: then reload it, charbel


Tichure: I wonder if it has anything to do with you going through the proxy like you did


Renee: okay i'll read the archive tonight


Tichure: folks, I don't want to inundate you with information


Tichure: but here's the deal


Tichure: you need to read three stories


Tichure: or least read  one of them and decide that's what you do


Tichure: you need one biographical source


Tichure: and then you need to decide what biographical information is actually relevant to the story.


Tichure: It's likely going to be either symbolic of a character or perhaps motivation for plot


Tichure: secondly, you need at least three–five literary analyses


Tichure: one of those analyses may be a resource that discusses the context of the story


Scott[_]L: Symbolism, conflict, irony?


Tichure: heroin abuse


Tichure: racism


Tichure: sexism


Tichure: the role of women in a pre- suffrage society


Tichure: postpartum depression


Tichure: as well as the obvious elements of symbolism,  conflict, irony and setting


Scott[_]L: okay


Renee: okay


Tichure: your articles are going to tell you symbols and ironies that you may or may not have seen


Tichure: the idea is that you're going to be writing paragraphs in which  you're showing me symbolic ironies, ironic conflicts, symbolic conflicts etc.


Tichure: but also showing me the context of the story in terms of what a character is going through, how the story is somehow relevant to the author etc.


Tichure: I do not want you to get lost in editorial


Tichure: but you are giving me a theme that holds everything together


Tichure: is everybody clear


Renee: yes :)


Charbel 1: yes


Tichure: I expect there will it shows in their story if not by next week, then by the following week. We can discuss the stories anytime you want


Tichure: but you have to do your part by  by having read the story


Scott[_]L: clear


Tichure: I want you to read cathedral for next week. It is the makeup test material


Tichure: but it is also an excellent story that is pretty indicative of the feel of a final exam


Tichure: so even if you did not do the makeup test, you'll want to discuss this story


Scott[_]L: roger roger


Tichure: it is also going to be good material for symbolism, irony and conflict.


Tichure: And stop calling me Shirley


Tichure: any questions


Renee: hahaha


Scott[_]L: what's your vector, victor?


Renee: no questions


Charbel 1: clear


Tichure: hahahah


Tichure: don't eat the fish


Tichure: have a great weekend everybody


Scott[_]L: A hospital? What is it?


Tichure: I'm going to post the deadline for


Tichure: it's a large building with patients and doctors, but that's not important right now


Scott[_]L: haha


Tichure: I'm going to post the deadlines for responses as November 16


Renee: you too :)


Tichure: so get them done


Charbel 1: you Too


Tichure: if you're going to get them done


Scott[_]L: haha


Tichure: stay in touch everybody.


Renee: i'll be looking out for the dealines


Scott[_]L: and if i decide to change gender?


Tichure: buhbye


Renee: oksy, will do


Tichure: hahahah


Renee: bye


Tichure: Good luck with that scott


Tichure: by Renv©e


Charbel 1: you'll be scotty


Charbel 1: bye


Tichure: bye charbel


Tichure: poof