- You joined the Main Room. ( 7:06 PM ) - - Your chat permission has been enabled. ( 7:06 PM ) - tichure 7:07 PM 101 hey now 7:07 PM Lydia 7:07 PM Hi 7:07 PM I was starting to think no one was coming tonight - Hannah joined the Main Room. ( 7:07 PM ) - tichure 7:08 PM di you read cathedral hey now hannah 7:08 PM Hannah 7:08 PM hello Lydia 7:08 PM yes a while ago tichure 7:08 PM good have you chosen a story 7:09 PM for finalpaper 7:09 PM Lydia 7:09 PM that is what I was going to ask you tonight tichure 7:09 PM ask away Lydia 7:09 PM are we picking from the story we did the posting on tichure 7:10 PM No go to blackboard right now please 7:10 PM Lydia 7:10 PM I have it open tichure 7:11 PM What does the assignment safe for final paper say for final paper 7:11 PM Lydia 7:11 PM ok, there are 3 stories, right these stories are in our books 7:12 PM tichure 7:13 PM yes. I am going to add some more actually. Lydia 7:13 PM ok tichure 7:13 PM Hannah, besides oats, and besides silk oh, do you remember what the others were and I have Gilman and Baldwin 7:14 PM - Waymon joined the Main Room. ( 7:14 PM ) - Lydia 7:15 PM can you explain to me the secondary source. tichure 7:15 PM we will talk about that today I'm going to take you on a field trip today 7:15 PM Lydia 7:15 PM ok, thx tichure 7:15 PM but I need you to see the list Lydia 7:15 PM no prob tichure 7:15 PM refresh the page Lidia. There should be some changes there Lydia 7:16 PM ok tichure 7:16 PM for the assignment also, were going to discuss the annotated works because you need to have that for me in five days 7:16 PM Lydia 7:16 PM now there are 4 stories to choose from tichure 7:17 PM yes Lydia 7:17 PM yes, I saw the example of the note cards on your site.. tichure 7:17 PM I took a story of an hour because most people have a hard time creating eight pages of analysis of the story that's two net pages long 2 1/2 pages long 7:17 PM I took out story of an hour 7:17 PM waymon 7:17 PM have you chosen a topic for your final paper 7:17 PM Waymon 7:17 PM Not yet i'm still deciding tichure 7:18 PM well, you need to choose quickly today we're going to discuss secondary sources, and is part of that, the annotated works page that you need to give to me by the sixth 7:18 PM and of course, the Works cited page that will be attached to your final paper 7:18 PM Lydia 7:18 PM Wow, okay glad I am here today Hannah 7:19 PM I think it was Sonny's Blues, Yellow Woman, Yellow Wallpaper, Where Are You Going, and there's one more I can't remember tichure 7:20 PM that's funny… those are the ones I have Hannah 7:20 PM oh and A Rose for Emily! tichure 7:20 PM okay let's do some talking now ahhh] 7:20 PM yes 7:20 PM Lydia 7:20 PM ok tichure 7:21 PM literary analysis requires the use of literary terms. We have discussed symbolism and irony and conflict and setting and theme and the elements that make a character round or flat. This is a major element of english 101 class and is part of what makes this class transferable 7:22 PM Another element of that Transfer aspect is the research paper 7:22 PM by definition, a research paper is an analysis that includes the use of resources to support claims made in the work. 7:22 PM To that end, you're going to analyze one of the four or five stories listed on the blackboard as the possible topics for your final paper. You will apply literary devices to these stories, but you will also use secondary sources to support that analysis. 7:22 PM To that end, today we're going to examine those resources and where to find them. 7:23 PM I need you to open a web browser 7:23 PM Lydia 7:23 PM ok tichure 7:23 PM and go to the library webpage for citrus College Waymon 7:24 PM Okay i'm there tichure 7:24 PM let me know when you're there www.citruscollege.edu/library/Pages/default.aspx\ 7:24 PM Lydia 7:24 PM ok i"m there 7:25 PM tichure 7:25 PM the main page now for the library contains on it a series of tabs for both student and faculty, but also for the databases. In fact, you will see a blue framed section called “quick search” the library itself is not only helpful and useful for creating analysis at the college level, the library itself has been prepared for English 101 specifically. First you need to establish a virtual library card, using the link at the upper right of the library home page. make one using your Wingspan information. 7:26 PM the databases that are set aside for this particular class contained in them direct analysis of the stories that are on the list from which you will choose. For today's purposes, I want you to look at the list on the blackboard site for the final paper and use that story as a way to test this system. 7:26 PM That way, you gone through the material. 7:26 PM Let's talk about Ebscohost first 7:27 PM you'll notice another quick search there is a tab… second from the right 7:27 PM click on it. 7:29 PM Waymon 7:29 PM Is there something specific that we're searching? tichure Let me know when you're both at the search engine 7:29 PM this will be a blue framed page up at the top of which you will find three frames 7:29 PM tichure 7:29 PM and next to them to green buttons, one of them a search thank you waymon 7:29 PM since neither of you have an idea as to which particular work you'd like to write your paper on, I am going to suggest that you simply use Charlotte Perkins Gilman's the yellow wallpaper 7:30 PM Are you at the search engine? 7:30 PM Waymon 7:30 PM uh Are we looking at putting that in the quick search 7:31 PM tichure 7:31 PM the first page are going to get is a list of resources within Ebscohost Lydia 7:31 PM u lost me Waymon 7:31 PM or are we actually going on the site tichure 7:31 PM you could do it that way women we are going to the site 7:31 PM you could do it that way, waymon 7:31 PM so just put in 7:31 PM yellow wallpaper 7:31 PM Lidia, are you on the library page that has the blue frame that says quick search? 7:31 PM Waymon 7:31 PM alright Lydia 7:32 PM yes tichure 7:32 PM libguides.citruscollege.edu/library Choose EBSCO 7:32 PM and put yellow wallpaper in the keyword box 7:32 PM Lydia 7:32 PM ok, I did that tichure 7:32 PM and then click Ebscohost did it ask you to login? 7:32 PM Lydia 7:33 PM ok now it is tichure 7:33 PM Or did give you a list of books citruscc 7:33 PM library 7:33 PM waymon 7:33 PM did ask you to choose the specific databases or did it go directly to results 7:33 PM Waymon 7:34 PM it went directly to results Lydia 7:34 PM now it saids choose database tichure 7:34 PM Ebscohost good 7:34 PM let me know when you're at results Lidia 7:34 PM Lydia 7:35 PM so I think I am in the site Waymon 7:35 PM is there a certain database i'm choosing or am i using it all or what is currently selected because after i searched the front results were academic journals and such 7:35 PM Lydia 7:36 PM I have academic search premier Waymon 7:36 PM yeah and ebooks tichure 7:36 PM Ebscohost is a collection database. It uses not only direct literary analysis, which we will use primarily for this, but also things like newspapers and periodicals and the like to gather all this information together. The good thing is that you may be able to find information on an issue that's raised by a story… like racism or sexism or something 7:37 PM but it also gives you an inordinate amount of information that may or may not be relevant to what you're trying to do. 7:37 PM The database that you want to use right now is Ebscohost 7:37 PM unfortunately, mine went directly to Ebscohost and so I don't quite see exactly what you guys are looking 7:37 PM but at the top of Ebscohost it does say academic search Premier 7:38 PM Lydia 7:38 PM ok tichure 7:38 PM theirs and Ebscohost label on the left and the whole thing is blue 7:38 PM is this correct? O 7:38 PM Waymon 7:38 PM on the search results, on the top left it'll say Searching:Academic Search Premier,etc. and there's an option to click Choose databases and from there you'll see which databases Ebscohost is searching in tichure 7:39 PM Yes o is the first item better returns in Spanish? O 7:39 PM Lydia 7:39 PM ebook collection is that the one Waymon 7:39 PM yes tichure 7:39 PM perfecto Waymon 7:39 PM it should also be the academiic search premier too lydia Lydia 7:39 PM ok thxd 7:39 PM Waymon 7:39 PM no problem tichure 7:41 PM These essays would be incorporated into your paper when you select specific quotations that support some of the claims you're making. You will quote from them the same way that you do from the primary source, putting the author's exact words in quotation marks in following them with a citation that includes the author's last name. The basic format for a paragraph, then, would be to bring up a specific point… for example that the character has an internal conflict or that some action symbolizes some aspect of the character's personality and you show me where happens in the primary source… the story. You would quote directly from the primary source. 7:42 PM You would then, as part of your research, look through some of the essays here that concern your story and its analysis of it and find some supporting information in the secondary source that explains further this very point. You would use direct quotation from secondary sources well. 7:43 PM The rest of this would be in your words. 7:43 PM You are required to do this for each body paragraph. 7:43 PM Another way that these works can help is to give you ideas that you did not see in the story yourself 7:43 PM in this case, you would introduce the idea as belonging to your author… Jones points out that the main character struggles with many man versus nature conflicts/// 7:44 PM and then use direct quotation from your secondary source as evidence 7:44 PM and then you would find an example from the story that supports that argument that you would also quote directly and cite. 7:44 PM In both cases you would begin and end 7:44 PM With your own words. You would use directly quoted text from the primary and secondary source to explain the primary source 7:45 PM and you would be sure to use literary terms 7:45 PM any questions so far 7:45 PM Waymon 7:45 PM I don't have any at the moment Lydia 7:46 PM overload I am following you 7:46 PM tichure 7:46 PM Ebscohost is also helpful if you're looking for secondary source material that explains a context of a work. For example, Sonny's blues concerns heroin addiction and racism. Sonny's blues also discusses Harlem, which is a specific place with a specific cultural impact by the 1960s. Understanding what these things are and where they are in when they are would be helpful and Ebscohost is a good resource for that 7:46 PM however, Ebscohost has some drawbacks 7:46 PM the first is that it is a database the cover so much. You're likely to get hundreds or even thousands of responses, many of which have little to do with the specific essay that you're trying to write 7:47 PM secondly, it will show you what is available in the world 7:47 PM even if Ebscohost does not have a specific copy of the entire essay itself 7:47 PM when you go to the Ebscohost database, one of the elements that you will be offered is the FULL TEXT option to click on. 7:47 PM What this does is narrows the returns by the search engine only to those items that you can actually read the entire essay or article 7:48 PM in either case, Ebscohost can be very useful to finding information that you need for this paper 7:48 PM when you do find an article that you like, you will notice that there is a toggle window at the top of the article 7:48 PM actually, 7:49 PM there is a window on the right side of the article 7:49 PM it allows you option such as e-mailing the article to yourself 7:49 PM but also has 7:49 PM CITE 7:50 PM which will open up a toggle window 7:50 PM and allows you to choose the citation information that you need for your Works cited page 7:50 PM it will give you a series of choices in terms of formatting 7:50 PM the one that we need is called MLA 7:50 PM Waymon 7:50 PM awesome tichure 7:51 PM is preformatted for you and all you have to do is copy that citation you need the citation for every resource that you use 7:51 PM including the primary source which is your story 7:51 PM the citation includes the author's name, the title of the article, the title of the publication, the title of the publisher, the city and the year 7:51 PM you need this information for every resource that you use in your paper 7:51 PM and I only want the resources that you use in your paper… in other words, if you look something up and you found it interesting but you don't actually use it, you don't need the information 7:52 PM you will take the information for each of the works that you did use 7:52 PM and put it on one piece of paper 7:52 PM you'll list these items in alphabetical order 7:52 PM whether they have a name first 7:52 PM or they have a title first 7:52 PM this is going to be your “Works cited” page 7:52 PM it is essentially a list of works that you are citing in your paper 7:52 PM everything that you quote from will be on this list 7:52 PM everything on the list must have been quoted from in your paper 7:53 PM an example of a Works cited list is on my website under “paper formatting and test instruction” 7:53 PM the Works cited page will be the last page of your paper. It does not count as a page so your paper will have eight pages of analysis plus a works cited page 7:54 PM any questions for 7:54 PM so far 7:54 PM Waymon 7:54 PM nope tichure 7:55 PM waymon, have you seen the works cited example on my website Waymon 7:55 PM yeah tichure 7:55 PM Lidia… any questions excellent waymon 7:55 PM Lydia 7:56 PM how many work citations do you want tichure 7:56 PM for your final paper, you will need at least five or so. But what's more porn than actual number is the fact you're finding stuff that is relevant to your essay 7:56 PM some people give me nine or ten 7:56 PM and only use one or two quotations from each one 7:56 PM Lydia 7:56 PM ok, and they can be the same one that we put on the note cards tichure 7:56 PM others will find only four items, but they will cite from that particular article 6 or seven times in their paper 7:57 PM it's all a matter of content rather than specific number 7:57 PM however, you can't really do a paper like this with anything less than four or five resources 7:57 PM any questions about this aspect of your paper 7:57 PM Waymon 7:57 PM is there a certain amount that you're looking for if a person wants to achieve an A or is it more based on content rather than the amount of pages or sources Lydia 7:57 PM ok, no questions so far Waymon 7:58 PM oh, oops you answered that while I was typing, haha sorry 7:58 PM tichure 7:58 PM hhahaha is okay 7:58 PM you been doing that to me all semester 7:58 PM Lydia 7:58 PM lol tichure 7:58 PM as part of making sure that you are doing research, what we look for is some evidence that you're doing research before you write your paper to that end, we have the notecards/annotated works page 7:58 PM understand that as you begin your writing process you may find five or six or ten or fifteen or twenty items that that all SEEM to be applicable to your paper 7:59 PM as you begin writing your paper you may find some stuff is repetitious or you need some new material etc. 7:59 PM one of the things that I can do is look at the material that you have found so far and give you feedback as to whether or not you're on the right track 7:59 PM to that end, we have the notecards and annotated works. 7:59 PM Essentially no cards and annotated Works cited are the same thing 7:59 PM they originally were called notecards because prior to electronic databases, a student taking an English course would be required to also have a packet of three by five note cards and a pencil. At some point, they would all physically go into a library… the actual building… and go to the card catalog and begin looking up appropriate works that they will use on the paper. They would write down the call numbers etc. on the note cards and then use these call numbers to find actual books in the library. As they read through these books, they would write down information as to what the work they found contained 8:00 PM and later on as they go through their paper, they would decide which ones they would need or not need based on these descriptions 8:00 PM we do the same thing today 8:00 PM however, instead of you filling out little three by five cards, we have you make an annotated works which is a single page 8:00 PM that has the same items 8:01 PM each one of these items will have a description as to what it is 8:01 PM and that's what makes it an ANNOTATED Works cited as opposed to just a regular work cited 8:01 PM Waymon 8:01 PM so it's fine to just generate an annotated works page with a citation and basically a bullet point with the explanation like the examples you have on your site? tichure 8:01 PM the assignment that is due on the sixth exactly waymon 8:01 PM the assignment that is due on the sixth is essentially this: 8:01 PM decide on a story 8:01 PM go to either Ebscohost or the learning resource Center, which we will discuss shortly 8:02 PM and find the following things 8:02 PM you need one biography 8:02 PM of the author 8:02 PM you need the bibliographical information for the story itself 8:02 PM you need one resource that discusses some contextual issue… racism, drug abuse, the laws concerning marriage and property in the 1890s, something that has to do with your paper 8:02 PM it may or may not be in one of the direct analyses of your story. 8:03 PM And then finally 8:03 PM seven items that specifically were written about your story 8:03 PM covering things like symbolism, irony, conflict, setting, character analysis etc. 8:03 PM you will list these items by author… or if no author than by title… 8:03 PM in alphabetical order with a small description under each one as to what it is 8:03 PM there is an example of ANNOTATED WORKS CITED on my example webpage 8:03 PM you may end up using all of these 8:03 PM you may end up using NONE of these 8:03 PM on your final paper 8:03 PM this is designed to get you started in your research 8:04 PM to force you to read these 8:04 PM to get you into the analysis of your paper. 8:04 PM The annotated Works cited is part of your overall grade. I 8:04 PM I'll respond to you to let you know whether or not you seem to be on the right track based on that information alone 8:04 PM any question about the annotated Works cited 8:04 PM Waymon 8:05 PM none so far tichure 8:05 PM 8:05 PM Lydia 8:06 PM no tichure 8:07 PM Then let's go to another database that's actually a bit more helpful for this kind of analysis. If you go back to the library webpage, you will notice a tab that will say simply Gale or Glae Virtual Reference Library or GVRL. Use Gale. 8:08 PM but me know when you're in 8:08 PM it will open up to a yellow framed database that also has three frames 8:08 PM let me know when you're there 8:08 PM Waymon 8:09 PM i'm there Lydia 8:09 PM done tichure 8:09 PM you'll notice that you can choose in the three different frames 8:10 PM and open-ended topic at the very top 8:10 PM the second one is the work title itself 8:10 PM and the third says author by or about 8:10 PM so in the top one you leave blank 8:10 PM the second one you put in yellow wallpaper 8:10 PM and third when you put in Gilman 8:10 PM and tell me what results you get 8:10 PM Waymon 8:11 PM The first one is 'But One Expects That' on the literature criticism tab 8:11 PM tichure 8:12 PM that is correct… this first tab is all literary criticism. These are direct analyses of your story they have the phrase yellow wallpaper and Gilman in it 8:12 PM the literature resource Center, as the title implies, is a more focused database. It focuses on literary analysis and therefore you're less likely to get information or results outside of your search in terms of literary perspective 8:12 PM how many results did you get in that tab waymin 8:12 PM Waymon 8:12 PM 49 tichure 8:12 PM that's a lot to read you may also realize that some of the titles indicate that there will be some psychoanalytical or feminist analyses 8:13 PM one way to trim this down is to go back to your search engine 8:13 PM this time, 8:13 PM in the middle box put yellow wallpaper 8:13 PM in the bottom box put Gilman 8:13 PM and in the top box put symbol* 8:13 PM in the left-hand toggle box for the top choice, choose ALL TEXT 8:13 PM it will look for the word symbol throughout essay's and only give you results that respond to that particular phrase 8:14 PM try it and tell me how may result you get 8:14 PM by the way, the reason I put in the word symbol with*is that the*essentially tells the search engine to look for any derivative of the word symbol ellipsis symbol, symbolic, symbolize, symbols etc. 8:14 PM Waymon 8:15 PM I got one Environment as Psychopathological Symbolism in 'The Yellow Wallpaper' 8:15 PM tichure 8:15 PM hahah i got NONE 8:15 PM Waymon 8:16 PM the first time i searched with just symbol i got none tichure 8:16 PM in class today I got twenty-two Waymon 8:16 PM then i went back and put symbol* and i got it tichure 8:17 PM women, try the same thing without the author's name Lydia 8:17 PM this is all under advanced search tichure 8:17 PM yes Lidia waymon, try the same thing without the author's name 8:17 PM I did that and got more results than with it 8:17 PM Waymon 8:17 PM I still got one tichure 8:18 PM I got two hahhaha 8:18 PM another option is to read one of the essays 8:18 PM and then use the search function to look for the word embedded in the essay 8:18 PM and other words, you open up the essay and then uses standard search function 8:18 PM to look for your literary device 8:18 PM you'll also notice that if you go back to the main results 8:18 PM next to the literary criticism tab 8:18 PM is the biography 8:18 PM Tab 8:18 PM in this case, what you have are biographies. Some have authors some don't 8:19 PM you need one of them 8:19 PM you will also notice that in LRC, your citation is at the bottom of the page 8:19 PM scroll down and you will see source citation 8:19 PM at the very bottom 8:19 PM it is even got hanging indentation for you 8:19 PM DO NOT give me the URL 8:19 PM Lydia 8:20 PM so this area is for the bio tichure 8:20 PM Lanser, Susan S. "Feminist Criticism, 'The Yellow Wallpaper,' and the Politics of Color in America." Feminist Studies 15.3 (Fall 1989): 415-441. Rpt. in Twentieth-Century Literary Criticism. Vol. 201. Detroit: Gale, 2008. Literature Resource Center. Web. 1 May 2013. yes 8:20 PM Lydia 8:20 PM ok thx 8:20 PM tichure 8:20 PM you'll notice that this has the author the title of the article 8:20 PM the title of the publication it was originally in 8:21 PM the fact it was repeated in twentieth century literary criticism 8:21 PM the city 8:21 PM the year 8:21 PM fact that it is web 8:21 PM and you'll also notice that it has the date… today's date 8:21 PM when you find something on the Internet, you need to identify the date on which you found it 8:21 PM literature resource Center is also a database that ONLY gives you results for articles that it actually has 8:21 PM any questions so far 8:22 PM Waymon 8:22 PM none Lydia 8:23 PM no tichure 8:24 PM there are various tutorials on this library website that have to do with in English 101 specifically. 8:25 PM furthermore, actually going into the library may be useful because the reference librarians, specifically Ms Bosler, know my class and know what you are looking for. 8:25 PM Their job is not to find things for you 8:25 PM their job is to help you find things 8:25 PM they can tell you where to look 8:25 PM they can tell you how to look 8:25 PM certainly if you can't get there, there's plenty of material on the library website that will explain how to use Ebscohost 8:25 PM that will explain how to use the literature resource Center 8:25 PM that also has specific resources for my classes 8:25 PM you need to come up with ten items. one of them is the story. one is a biography. make sure you annotate them. That will take care of your notecards assignment 8:26 PM it will also force you to choose a topic story 8:26 PM we can discuss the topic stories in the following weeks 8:26 PM if you decide to work on the same story, that is all the better, but it is not necessary 8:26 PM whoever chooses a story first will have their story discussed first 8:26 PM if there is no story chosen, we will simply move through the material that is on the calendar 8:26 PM but my primary focus over the next several weeks is to discuss your material for your final paper 8:27 PM so you can do the best you can 8:27 PM are there any questions 8:27 PM Waymon 8:27 PM sounds great, i'm fine so far tichure 8:27 PM excellent. Get started on this project. You have a month also, you will need a peer edit so I would suggest you start contacting people through blackboard or… through here… 8:27 PM to get a trading partner 8:28 PM Waymon 8:28 PM Okay. Since me and you are usually always here Lydia, do you want to be my trading partner? Lydia 8:28 PM sure why not I think I need all the help i can get 8:29 PM tichure 8:29 PM let me give you a brief overview of each story because it may indicate whether or not you're interested in even pursuing it Waymon 8:29 PM me too! tichure 8:29 PM ready? Waymon 8:29 PM yeah Lydia 8:29 PM ready Waymon 8:29 PM I was going to read them over the week to see which one I understand the most Lydia 8:30 PM I was thinking of yellow wallpaper tichure 8:30 PM Yellow wallpaper is probably the oldest of these stories. It is a work of fiction that was actually based on a personal experience by the author. It is a story of the woman who lives in the 1890s who is suffering from what is now known as postpartum depression. However, back then it was considered nervous hysteria and the cure was forced rest. However, the protagonist is a writer and not being able to write is driving her crazy literally. 8:30 PM This first-person narrative follows the primary characters journey as she struggles against the restrictions placed on her by her husband and… perhaps largely also by society 8:30 PM there is plenty secondary source material for this but I will tell you now that that a lot of it is psychoanalytical and feminist and therefore unique trim that stuck out. Psychoanalytical criticism and feminist criticism are in English 103 8:31 PM and you do not want to get bogged down in that. 8:31 PM Lydia 8:31 PM ok tichure 8:32 PM Sonny's blues is a story written by James Baldwin, who was one of the writers of the Harlem Renaissance. Sonny's blues is about to African-American brothers who grew up in Harlem. One of them became a teacher in Harlem. The other became a heroin addicted jazz musician. They are estranged from each other but brought back together when the death of the teachers daughter occurs at the beginning of the story the story discusses both racism and also the issues of conflict within a family. Because of its age, this one also has a great deal of secondary source material 8:32 PM the story is a first-person narrative told by the teacher 8:32 PM Joyce Carol Oates “where are you going where have you been” is, like many of her works, loosely based on real life. It is the story of the self obsessed teenage girl who, being popular and attractive, does not seem to understand the world in which her frumpy sister and her controlling mother live. She spends a lot of time trying to separate herself from them and to hang out with her friends and in doing so, exposes herself to the attentions of a fellow named Arnold friend, who turns out to be an older man who is masquerading as a young person in order to get access to teen girls. This is based on the true story of the Pied Piper of Tucson, who was convicted of killing several teenage girls in Arizona in the 1950s. 8:34 PM Yellow woman is by Leslie Marmon Celko. Leslie Marmon Silko is a Native American writer who discusses, in most cases, the issues of gender and the role of the female in Native American society. 8:35 PM Yellow woman is a story in which a character is struggling between the pressures of her family and her o being with a man of questionable reputation. This is a more modern work in may have fewer literary responses, which may cut down on the amount of reading that you have to do. Also, because she is an author who focuses on specific cultural issues, you may find a lot of the Analysis has to do with the Native American culture as much as it has to do with literary analysis. 8:36 PM any questions so far 8:36 PM Lydia 8:36 PM no Waymon 8:36 PM no tichure 8:38 PM I'm considering putting up great work of American literature by William Faulkner called a Rose for Emily. Rose for Emily is a work written about the turn-of-the-century that discusses a woman living in the South whose family had been in a position of power prior to the end of slavery, but, like many elements of the South, suffered greatly after the Civil War was over. This change in social status has left her lonely as an older person and she does not choose very wisely when it comes to her choice of companionship. The story really is about how the town reacts to this iconic and rather odd person and what they discover about her life after she has died. Because it is William falconer, one of the great American writers, there is plenty of literary analysis on this work and on the author himself. However, some people find some of the storyline little hard to follow. Keep in mind that this is twenty-five percent of your grade. You should understand the story. If you read a story and think you get most of it but you struggle little bit with some of the details, go to MASTERPLOTS through the databases or in the library itself and they will help synopsize some of the main elements of the story 8:39 PM Lydia 8:39 PM I want to try doing Sonny's Blues Waymon 8:39 PM Me too tichure 8:39 PM then read it and we can talk about it next week Lydia 8:39 PM ok, will do Waymon 8:39 PM Okay tichure 8:39 PM any questions Lydia 8:39 PM no just trying to retain it all 8:40 PM Waymon 8:40 PM The only question left is should we email you that we're picking a specific story or should we state it and send you the annotated works cited page as well tichure 8:40 PM I like the second option better Waymon 8:40 PM and no, I wanted to but I couldn't find a day where I could get to school tichure 8:40 PM bead you read the story did you read the story Cathedral 8:40 PM Waymon 8:40 PM yeah the one with the blind man 8:41 PM tichure 8:41 PM yes Waymon 8:41 PM and the difference between looking and seeing tichure 8:41 PM well, both of you have read the story so let's talk about some elements of it yes 8:41 PM let's talk about internal conflict 8:41 PM Lydia 8:41 PM ok Lydia 8:43 PM the husband's internal conflict is that the wife is connected more with Robert than with him tichure 8:43 PM Lydia, explained that in the context of internal conflict Waymon 8:43 PM is it about the tension he feels with robert tichure 8:44 PM A lot of people said that. It's why I brought it up internal conflict requires two sides 8:44 PM if he has tension with Robert, is that internal conflict? 8:44 PM Waymon 8:44 PM no tichure 8:44 PM If he feels his wife has been unfaithful, is that internal conflict Lydia 8:44 PM no that is man vs man tichure 8:44 PM if he feels his wife loves Robert instead of him… which by the way is not established in the story… is that internal conflict exactly 8:45 PM give me an internal conflict 8:45 PM Waymon 8:45 PM but moreover the insecurity of his lack of communication and how he doesn't really put himself out there tichure 8:45 PM now you're getting closer to something what does he want waymon 8:45 PM give me two things that he wants that he can't have both of them 8:45 PM and then you have an internal conflict 8:45 PM Waymon 8:46 PM he wants to communicate better with his wife, but he isn't interested in how she communicates with robert tichure 8:46 PM not quite internal it simply explains his problem 8:46 PM and is mor eironic 8:46 PM than symbolic 8:47 PM what does robert symbolize to him 8:47 PM Lydia 8:48 PM Robert is the man his wife pays more attention to and he might be jeolous tichure 8:48 PM one of the problems with the character like Bub is a lack of self-awareness is jealousy internal conflict Lidia 8:48 PM because a lot of people said that on their RESPONSES 8:48 PM however, internal conflict requires a character did be in some sort of dilemma or some sort of indecision 8:49 PM it's an internal dilemma 8:49 PM not a dilemma between character and somebody else 8:49 PM Lydia 8:49 PM oh that's right tichure 8:49 PM what does Robert symbolize to the wife Lydia 8:49 PM a good friend tichure 8:49 PM no… the character is a good friend what does Robert SYMBOLIZE 8:49 PM Waymon 8:50 PM communication Lydia 8:50 PM memories tichure 8:50 PM explain waymion how does Robert symbolize communication 8:51 PM Waymon 8:51 PM Robert symbolizes communication as the relationship between those two because they exchange information back and forth despite the distance barrier tichure 8:52 PM what kind of communication what do they talk about 8:52 PM and therefore why is Robert a threat to narrator 8:52 PM Waymon 8:52 PM robert is someone who knows her a lot better about her life and her feelings than her husband tichure 8:52 PM yes therefore, what does Robert represent to the narrator 8:52 PM Waymon 8:53 PM a threat Lydia 8:53 PM Robert may know more about his wife tichure 8:53 PM I just said that Waymon 8:53 PM haha tichure 8:53 PM yes Lidia why is Robert a threat 8:53 PM look at Lidia's answer 8:53 PM Waymon 8:53 PM because he communicates better to the narrator's wife and knows more things about her than he does especially when he points out that he has trouble communicating with his wife 8:53 PM tichure 8:53 PM you already said that also Waymon 8:54 PM and this guy does it better tichure 8:54 PM that's the thing what does the wife really want 8:54 PM in a relationship 8:54 PM in the relationship with her husband 8:54 PM Lydia 8:54 PM attention tichure 8:54 PM yes does the narrator know this 8:54 PM does the narrator know HOW to do this 8:55 PM Waymon 8:55 PM no Lydia 8:55 PM no tichure 8:55 PM I'm not sure what you're answering does the narrator know his wife wants attention 8:55 PM wants somebody to talk to her 8:55 PM wants him to talk to her 8:55 PM Lydia 8:56 PM he might know but doesn't know how to communication with her to the level she wants tichure 8:56 PM there is an internal conflict Waymon 8:56 PM no he doesn't, and he does not know how to effectively communicate with her either tichure 8:56 PM he knows what he wants but he can't get there actually Lidia's answer is more accurate 8:56 PM Waymon 8:56 PM yeah tichure 8:56 PM he points out that the other man in her life were more effective communicators, especially Robert and he also points out that their lack of communication is an element of their life 8:57 PM am smoking pot and drinking and watching TV 8:57 PM while she goes upstairs 8:57 PM alone 8:57 PM to her room 8:57 PM not to their room 8:57 PM to her room 8:57 PM internal conflict requires two sides 8:57 PM being jealous of somebody is not internal conflict 8:57 PM even if you keep it inside 8:57 PM hahaaha 8:57 PM internal conflict is the internal battle 8:57 PM Lydia 8:58 PM ok internal conflict is only the person itself with the two side issues tichure 8:58 PM yes we can talk about your story next week and if we are not at that level, we can always finish discussing Cathedral. 8:58 PM Have a good week everybody. Get started on the final paper 8:59 PM Lydia 8:59 PM jeolousy would be external tichure 8:59 PM yes Lidia Lydia 8:59 PM ok, thanks! Waymon 8:59 PM okay, thank you. i hope everyone has a good week as well Lydia 8:59 PM Have a great night, everyone! Waymon 8:59 PM bye everyone! tichure 8:59 PM thinks waymon you to Lidia 8:59 PM p[oof 8:59 PM poof 8:59 PM - Waymon left the Main Room. ( 8:59 PM ) - Hannah 8:59 PM yes, have a good week. if you need some help, SI is at 5 tomorrow afternoon tichure 9:00 PM thanks Hannah Lydia 9:00 PM I am sad I alway miss it.. tichure 9:00 PM poof - Hannah left the Main Room. ( 9:00 PM ) - - Lydia left the Main Room. ( 9:00 PM ) -