- You joined the Main Room. ( 6:24 PM ) - - Your chat permission has been enabled. ( 6:24 PM ) - tichure 7:00 PM 101 - robertscopoulis joined the Main Room. ( 7:09 PM ) - tichure 7:10 PM hey now robert robertscopoulis 7:10 PM hello tichure 7:10 PM what questions do you have robertscopoulis 7:10 PM finally got in, so you can disregard my last e-mail. I had some questions about the discussion that are supposedly due on friday... 7:11 PM tichure 7:11 PM Well let me clarify something for this class you have five responses total of eight opportunities. 7:12 PM The responses are three paragraph essays applying at least one literary term with quotation in the body paragraph. 7:12 PM robertscopoulis 7:12 PM Are those the ones with the names? tichure 7:12 PM You have one test that will be taken on campus yes 7:12 PM those are the ones with the names and they have a RESPONSE in the title as well 7:12 PM you have two papers 7:12 PM the first paper is a discussion of Alexie's "what you pawn i will redeem" 7:13 PM due next week 7:13 PM there is also a response associated with this paper that allows you to send a sample paragraph from your paper to me as a response to get feedback before you submit your paper 7:13 PM robertscopoulis 7:13 PM Okay. Those are turned in on canvas... What are all the assignments that you want turned in by e-mail? tichure 7:13 PM you with me so far? The paper itself concerning Alexi's story is sent by email 7:14 PM but you are correct. The responses are all posted on canvas 7:14 PM any questions about what I've discussed so far? 7:14 PM robertscopoulis 7:15 PM Okay. I have already found the text for Alexie, I just need to read it. So, there's two big papers and one is on Alexie? And we can use what we wrote in our responses for the paper? tichure 7:16 PM Well only one of the responses is directly related to that first paper assignment but yes I expect that the body paragraph of the response for Alexie is going to be a sample paragraph of either an analysis of the character or of the plot/ending analysis. It is your opportunity to give feedback from me on the development of that paper. Good so far? 7:18 PM The last assignment actually has several grades associated with it. This is the final paper. This is a research paper that actually makes this class transfer to Cal State and UC. Research paper itself, do the of the semester, is based on one of three or four stories that will be listed in the assignment itself. This paper, unlike anything else you do for me, requires actual research through the citrus college library databases. 7:19 PM robertscopoulis 7:19 PM Yeah... So, our response that is submitted in canvas for Alexie is a SAMPLE for our big paper that we write? tichure 7:19 PM Furthermore, this paper also has a RESPONSE associated with it in which you give me a sample paragraph. This is especially important for this particular paper because there's no revision for this paper. yes 7:19 PM Also associated with this final paper is an annotated Works cited for that paper as well as an outline for that paper. 7:20 PM Two papers 7:20 PM one test 7:20 PM five responses 7:20 PM one outline 7:20 PM one annotated work cited. 7:20 PM That is the class 7:20 PM the discussion board references you may have seen are no longer part of the class. This class is fundamentally changing and starting in fall, this class be four units or, for some people five units. 7:21 PM To that end, I've streamlined the parts that will remain in order to prepare for a major overhaul before August fall semester begins robertscopoulis 7:21 PM Okay, that makes sense. Is there any way I can meet you in person during your office hours? tichure 7:21 PM if you go back to references in the introduction or instructions you'll notice that references to the discussion board oare removed. robertscopoulis 7:22 PM Awesome, say no more! :) tichure 7:22 PM Each week, I will hold an office hour, usually announced in advance. I will be there tomorrow at 3 o'clock for an hour. Is there something specific that you need? There is no significant difference between us talking across the desk and us talking across the Internet and If I can get you started now, that would be better. references to discussion board are removed robertscopoulis 7:23 PM Yeah, I would prefer to get started now rather than later. I can't make tomorrow at 3pm because I have football practice tichure 7:24 PM Well again, is there a specific question that you would ask me in my office? I would like you to leave this discussion ready to go. 7:24 PM robertscopoulis 7:24 PM Do the responses require citations? tichure 7:24 PM Yes. 7:24 PM Quotations always require citation. 7:24 PM They do not require a reference page because the only thing you're recording from for everything other than the final paper is the story itself. 7:24 PM But in text citation is required 7:24 PM which is the author's last name (Alexie) or the author's last name followed by the page number if the page number is in the original source (Alexie 32) 7:25 PM robertscopoulis 7:25 PM MLA format? With name and everything in the top left corner? tichure 7:25 PM after every single quotation left or right is sufficient 7:25 PM yes MLA format. 7:25 PM robertscopoulis 7:25 PM Okay, cool. tichure 7:26 PM Obviously, the first things you need to do are read the story and of course do a response applying either conflict or elements of being round and flat, which would include discussions of conflict. Getting feedback will especially be helpful because then you'll know what's working and what's not. 7:27 PM Samples of finished work or on englit.org on the "archive of tests and papers" 7:27 PM for everything I ask you to do. 7:27 PM robertscopoulis 7:28 PM Okay, samples are cool. whats the due date for begin paper 1 7:29 PM tichure 7:29 PM anything else i can help you with? everything is due as soon as you can do it unless it has an actual due date, which are applied specifically to written assignments. 7:30 PM Therefore, you need to begin paper one immediately 7:30 PM because it's due next week 7:30 PM reading the story, reading the discussions of round and flat characters, reading the discussions of interpretive versus escapist literature, reading the discussions about MLA formatting etc. is all due essentially NOW. There are no points for doing it. This is information that you need in order to move on to the Written assignments that you submit to me, which ARE for points. 7:30 PM robertscopoulis 7:31 PM Oh, so I'm guessing begin paper 1 just means to start it? tichure yes 7:31 PM - Clairebear joined the Main Room. ( 7:30 PM ) - tichure 7:31 PM I know that it is cryptic, but "begin paper one" means to begin working on paper one. hy There Claire. 7:31 PM hey there claire 7:31 PM Clairebear 7:31 PM hello! tichure 7:31 PM Just here answering questions. Anything I can help you with? robertscopoulis 7:32 PM Okay, I thought written assignments were 5 points? the Alexie responses? Clairebear 7:32 PM nothing off the top of my head, just looking to see what questions everyone else has tichure 7:32 PM Robert, like I just said, everything WRITTEN has an actual value to it and has a due date. The reading assignments that I just listed to you have no due date but you need to do them in order to do the written assignments competently therefore making them essentially due as soon as possible in order to meet the due dates for the written assignment 7:33 PM robertscopoulis 7:33 PM Okay. And I don't see anything worth under 5 points in the grades tab? tichure 7:33 PM okay there's no busywork in this class. 7:34 PM robertscopoulis 7:34 PM You said 4 points. tichure 7:34 PM Everything has an actual value and is something that you need to learn for English 103 robertscopoulis 7:34 PM What assignemnts are you talking about worth 4 points tichure 7:34 PM that nasty Dragon. for points 7:34 PM Homonym error 7:34 PM robertscopoulis 7:34 PM Okay. Now we are on the same page. tichure 7:35 PM indeed robertscopoulis 7:35 PM I think I'm understanding what to do for the most part. tichure 7:36 PM Now again, understand that the maximum number of responses that you will get credit for is five of them. If you plan to do the final paper response in order to get feedback from me on your final paper, do not do all of the first five responses because then you will have fulfilled that particular grade requirement. By the way, the test will be announced next week but will run week three and four. 7:37 PM robertscopoulis 7:38 PM So, all those assingments with the names, we are only suppose to do 5 out of the 8? tichure 7:39 PM you are to do five maximum out of all of the assignments labeled RESPONSE ; that is correct robertscopoulis 7:40 PM Okay. We won't lost points if we skip a response? lose* 7:40 PM tichure 7:40 PM knowno no. Of course not 7:40 PM understand that some people will only do two or three responses all semester. That is their prerogative. Some people are happy with a B or C grade for participation 7:40 PM robertscopoulis 7:40 PM So, for example; I could skip Alexie if I wanted? tichure 7:41 PM I offer you options. That is correct. 7:41 PM Again, you are building points, not getting points deducted for anything. 7:41 PM robertscopoulis 7:41 PM Got it. Makes sense Interesting. So we never lose points for missing work? 7:41 PM Clairebear 7:42 PM For our final is it just the final research paper and a written test that we take on campus? tichure 7:42 PM no. You just don't gain any points by missing work. Claire, indeed. You do have a final research paper, but there is no specific final exam per se. 7:43 PM You must take one test for me during the course of the semester. However, if you screw up the first test, if you missed the first test, I will offer a final exam people can use to fill that that particular grade slot. If you're happy with your first test grade, you would not take the final when I announce it. 7:43 PM robertscopoulis 7:44 PM Cool. Clairebear 7:44 PM When you mean "test" are you referring to paper #1 tichure 7:44 PM No a paper is a written longform work that you produce and submit by email over a couple weeks. 7:45 PM A test is a timed five paragraph essay that you take on campus 7:45 PM Clairebear 7:45 PM ohhhh okay tichure 7:45 PM test and paper are not the same thing. They are both essays, but one is longform and well-developed and the other one is short form and timed. robertscopoulis 7:46 PM is the test written or typed tichure 7:46 PM By hand in blue book 7:46 PM robertscopoulis 7:46 PM got it tichure 7:48 PM anything else I can help you with? robertscopoulis 7:48 PM I've got the jist of what to do now. I think 7:48 PM tichure 7:48 PM Excellent. I'll be here every week between 7 and 9 PM on Wednesday to Answer questions directly related to the work you're doing. Get started on the reading 7:49 PM and do that first response or at least get started on paper one. 7:49 PM robertscopoulis 7:49 PM Cool. If I need extra help, I'll shoot you a e-mail tichure 7:49 PM This will go very very quickly. It's a 16 week course in six weeks. That's what I'm here for. I answer my email every day. 7:49 PM robertscopoulis 7:50 PM one more thing actually... What topics do we chose from for the paper Clairebear 7:50 PM so for the course overall we have the 5 responses, paper #1, the outline, the annotated work cited, Final research paper, and the test taken on campus? tichure 7:50 PM The first paper has only one choice. Alexie. The last paper I give you choice of three or four stories but you'll see that in week three when the assignment pops up 7:50 PM robertscopoulis 7:51 PM got it/ tichure 7:51 PM Claire, you have it exactly correct robertscopoulis 7:51 PM okay ill worry about that then haha tichure 7:51 PM the outline and the annotated works cited are related to that final research paper yes Robert. We will burn that bridge when we get to it. 7:51 PM There's plenty of time to panic later. 7:51 PM robertscopoulis 7:51 PM B) awesome, can't wait. 7:51 PM tichure 7:52 PM (6) Anything else I can help you with before I kick you out of here to go do some work? 7:52 PM robertscopoulis 7:52 PM no thaqt covers it tichure 7:52 PM I will be lurking here until 9 o'clock. Other than that, shoot me an email. 7:52 PM robertscopoulis 7:53 PM okat thank you tichure 7:53 PM If you ask the so-called "stupid" question that everyone needs an answer to, I will remove your name from it and forward the answer to everyone. Clairebear 7:53 PM What is the difference between this live chat and the chat archives that are mandatory? is there a link where we have to participate in the archives or is it just required to read tichure 7:53 PM Claire, you are in the live chat right now. The archives are on the link that I sent you an email that invited you tonight. 7:53 PM robertscopoulis 7:53 PM if everyone needs it, it's not stupid, right? tichure 7:54 PM They were also linked through canvas as well. That is correct Robert. 7:54 PM That's why i put the word in quotation marks and use the phrase "so-called" 7:54 PM robertscopoulis 7:54 PM lol i knew that 7:54 PM tichure 7:54 PM Claire, the archives are on englit.org I knew you were just testing me Robert. How did I do? 7:55 PM Claire, the link to the archives ishttp://www.englit.org/eiland_shared/chat/list.htm 7:55 PM http://www.englit.org/eiland_shared/chat/list.htm 7:55 PM ignore the weird face. Apparently that symbol means something. 7:55 PM robertscopoulis 7:56 PM i give you an A cause I know you'll be doing the same for me tichure 7:56 PM hahahaha alas, If life were only that way. 7:56 PM Claire, the archives are mandatory. Being here is not. Being here is for your benefit, especially if you need to talk to somebody directly in order to get something clarified. 7:56 PM but the archives have specific discussion and instruction concerning the development of your paper. 7:57 PM there will be something you posted each week. T 7:57 PM Sometimes it is going to be the live discussion and sometimes it is something archived from previous semester in which we cover the topic that you need to know about. Clairebear 7:58 PM I understand now, thank you tichure 7:58 PM great robertscopoulis 7:58 PM Where do we submit these archives? tichure 7:58 PM they're not submitted Robert. They are my archives that YOU read. I submit to the archives. 7:58 PM It's my website 7:58 PM for your benefit 7:58 PM robertscopoulis 7:58 PM Ah. Okay. thank you 7:58 PM tichure 7:59 PM you're welcome robertscopoulis 7:59 PM I'll be going now tichure 7:59 PM excellent. Have a great week 7:59 PM glad we got things cleared up. 7:59 PM robertscopoulis 7:59 PM Thank you, you too. Certainly! - robertscopoulis left the Main Room. ( 7:59 PM ) - tichure 7:59 PM Claire, anything else I can help you with? Clairebear 8:01 PM Yes, can you elaborate on the discussion groups that we are supposed to join? Where do we post our topic choice? 8:02 PM tichure 8:02 PM as I was explaining to Robert, this class is going to change fundamentally starting in fall. The course is going to become four uni55 units for some folks, and therefore I changed the class. There is no more discussion group assignment. 8:02 PM Any reference to it that I saw in the instructions on campus have been removed 8:03 PM there is no discussion group assignment listed in your grade folder on campus either 8:03 PM Your grade is based only on the items that you yourself just mentioned. 8:03 PM Clairebear 8:03 PM ok, sweet! I think that answers the last of my questions. (for now) tichure 8:04 PM Excellent. If anything else comes up, just send me an email. 8:04 PM Otherwise, I will be here next week to give you feedback on any questions you may have about the work you're creating for me for grade. 8:04 PM Clairebear 8:04 PM Will do! Clairebear 8:04 PM okie doke - Clairebear left the Main Room. ( 8:04 PM ) - - Kanako the Asian joined the Main Room. ( 8:08 PM ) - tichure 8:08 PM Hey there Kananko how can I help you 8:08 PM Kanako the Asian 8:09 PM Hello professor Eiland I just wanted to let you know that I am having trouble loggin in to my citrus college 8:09 PM so i am unable to log in to canvas...who should I contact? 8:10 PM tichure 8:11 PM Kanako, I would have you contact distance Ed they will be able to help you with the technical aspects of the course. 8:11 PM if you are enrolled, it shoud work fine. i know you use your wingspan information 8:12 PM But as I am not a student, some of the details are unclear to me 8:12 PM Kanako the Asian 8:13 PM the username and the pass are saved on my laptop so I could login the last time, but somewhat its not working anymore How do you find the contact info of distance Ed?? 8:13 PM tichure 8:17 PM the citrus college website has a direct link to distance education if you use the "contact us" link at the bottom of the main page, you can do a department search 8:17 PM http://www.citruscollege.edu/tecs/Pages/default.aspx 8:21 PM try this. There is a link to a help desk at the bottom of the page 8:21 PM since they re-created the website over the last couple months, I'm unfamiliar with how to navigate it at this point. 8:21 PM get a hold of them as soon as possible and get yourself started on the material. 8:22 PM Kanako the Asian 8:22 PM Yes. Thank you so much. - Kanako the Asian left the Main Room. ( 8:35 PM ) - - isaacP joined the Main Room. ( 8:35 PM ) - tichure 8:36 PM hey there isaac. how can i help you 8:36 PM isaacP 8:39 PM hi i was wondering, the responces are different from the discussion? or are the responces to the discussion? also how can i select my discussion topic and post it? 8:39 PM tichure 8:42 PM Well, as you're going to read in an upcoming email, the discussion board requirement has been removed from the course. isaacP 8:43 PM oh awesome i just got it tichure 8:43 PM the course is now five responses, one test, the Alexie paper, the final paper, and an outline and an annotated work cited for this final paper. I've removed the references on canvas as far as I know, but if you still see it posted somewhere, please let me know so I can help others avoid confusion. 8:43 PM isaacP 8:44 PM great thanks for the help! tichure 8:45 PM You're welcome. Anything else I can help you with isaacP 8:46 PM not that i can think of right now thank you! tichure 8:47 PM great. I'll be here every week on Wednesday to answer questions about the papers that you're creating. Get started on paper one. 8:47 PM isaacP 8:47 PM will do! - isaacP left the Main Room. ( 8:47 PM ) - tichure 9:02 PM poof